Do u want Linux to win or do u want to virtue message. Who fucking cares what his political stance is he is pushing the frontier on Linux adoption. Take the fucking win and let him cook.
I want some help…
I am currently using Endeavour OS with hyprland, and am using Caelestia
It is not the best experience. Is there any OS that comes with hyprland preinstalled? I want a beautiful looking desktop.
cachyos can install with hyprland (and a few others - https://wiki.cachyos.org/installation/desktop_environments/)
Hi,
WMs are not built to ship a complete desktop experience. Their entire design philosophy is that you tweak them to your liking and build your own desktop environment by putting together various utilities to achieve your needs. However, some projects try to resolve that by shipping a preconfigured environment that will fit most needs.
Feel free to look at this repo that has pre configured utilities:
https://github.com/LinuxBeginnings/Arch-Hyprland
Alternatively, you may interested in some sort of all in one utility that just does many things at once, in which case something like dank material shell might be more up your alley. Arch provides a meta package (iirc dank-material-hyprland or something like that, best to check your pkg mgr db before installing).
Ok I’m out of the loop. What’s going on in there?
Its by the infamous developer DHH. Here’s a blogpost of his from 2015. He’s a big fan of Tommy Robinson, a Nazi activist.
Thank you! Finally some actual statements, not Nazi though.
Xenophobic sure, but not Nazi. Please stop watering down the word. :(
Tommy Robinson? But he joined Pegida, an organization led by Hitler worshippers. Why would he not be a Nazi?
So Tommy Robinson is an Islamophobe based on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League
Some would argue that it is the opposite of being a Nazi.
Some idiots argue all kinds of non-sense. Such as a “far right” group with the purpose:
Anti-Islamism
Islamophobia
English nationalism
Palingenetic ultranationalism
Populism
is anything but nazi group.
Some
Who?
would argue that it is the opposite of being a Nazi.
If they would, I’d love to hear how membership in an organisation centered on hatred against a non-Aryan culture is the opposite of being a Nazi.
(Besides, membership in the EDL is hardly the only indictment against Robinson)
Imagine thinking Brits are oppressed. I wonder if the Irish have any thoughts on this.
“Help! Help! I’m being oppressed!”
- Me, a Brit
This is the violence inherent in the system!
There’s some lovely filth overe here
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That is not oppression
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There are basically no more Cockney-speakers in London, FFS.
Oh blimey, mate! And how are the numbers or lovable Victorian-era street urchin kids?
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For extreme left it seems that any viewpoint that is not total open borders, is “nazi”. :'D
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What opinions from the blog post do you estimate I could disagree with?
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Thank for the additional links. The community needs to scream louder. Nazis can fuck right off as they walk into the sea while trying to fetch the horizon.
What explicitly in the posts would make you label them as “Nazi” and not xenophobic (for example)?
Im still out of the loop, what did he do?
An opinionated configuration of Arch Linux by wrong person
That’s a very friendly explanation of the Omarchy train wreck.
It is not trainwreck though. It works fine. I’ll switch to something else, maybe plain arch when I get the tim though… But technically, except for a bunch of bloat, it’s a decent enougg configuration. I’ll definitely be stealing a few files for my own setup.
Yeah, sure. It was made by a fucking Nazi. There is no reason, even on a technical level to defend the existence of this. It also can’t be defended on a technical level because it is an entirely vibe coded OS. There will never be true security updates. There will not be any significant ISO updates likely ever. This is very unserious and is a cash grab by a known Nazi.
Somehow, miraculously, DHH vibe coded a set of configuration scripts into an OS.
That’s it. This is not only a project based on pushing literal Nazi propaganda into the FOSS community, but also a grift to potential donors.
me, stumbling upon this: What’s Omarchy, Precious?, reads “Arch, but for nazis”: haha, another lolcow like the TempleOS guy…, reads “vibe-coded”: aaand I’m done.
A waste of time to be aware of it, really
Someone else in the comments said a waste of $8m. Not sure how that fits into this story either.
Yeah, that last part is especially sad and what makes me a bit angry as well. I like IT for it’s open nature, like FOSS and knowledge sharing. DHH pretends to be the embodiment of that sentiment, but than he turns around a grabs all the immiral money he can get. It has some major “Google - dont be evil” vibes.
Boo this person! BOOOOOO!!!
I feel attacked ;)
OH no we’ve got dhh on lemmy /s
As long as your opionated config doesn’t support Nazism, we’re good.
Wrong person is an understatement here.
Me three.
Look at the other comments in this thread.
Wait, is Hyprland itself Nazi affiliated? I knew about Omarchy, but…
It is.
Damn. Glad I’m on Niri, then.
Calm down, not everyone you dont like is a Nazi.
Also how the fuck is Hyprland “Nazi software”? Is it used to kill Jews?
not everyone you dont like is a Nazi
they are when what i don’t like about them is they’re a nazi, which is the case with DHH
Sure if you do not like them for being a literal Nazi then sure. I would agree.
Honestly this post is proving enlightening as to who to tag as a nazi
This post is proving that when you call someone a nazi half a dozen times in two paragraphs, it has quite the opposite effect than what you seek in people who aren’t as deep in the leftist bubble as you are.
Doesn’t just apply to nazis by the way. Make such an impassioned tirade against pretty much any person or thing hyperfocusing on one specific trait, and most listeners unfamiliar with the matter will be put on guard rather than convinced. “Why is this person so desperately trying to convince me about this? There must be more to this than they’re letting on.” Food for thought maybe.
Or maybe, they are trying to convince you DHH is a Nazis because they are, in fact, a proven Nazis, wild concept I know
a proven Nazis So where is the proof?
This article I just found explains it pretty well, he is openly racist and supports Tommy Robinson who is himself linked to neo nazis
They are sealioning, I’m sure they will only be convinced if you have explicit verified confirmed statement from DDH that he is an active and participating member of National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
At no point did I comment one way or the other on whether or not he is a nazi.
Firebrand leftist challenge (IMPOSSIBLE): don’t go on a tirade about nazis for one full conversation.
Well, you know, except proven Nazis like DHH. If you are willing to endorse that fucker in anyway, fuck off.
Why are you so angry? Maybe go be angry in the angry community rather than the Linux memes community.
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This guy brains
This link provides zero information on how an open source project can be considered “nazi” (or far-right). Just a statement by the author themselves that these people are far-right.
The guy is literally a Nazi and he didn’t even try to hide it
So he is kicking a swastika and telling people about the “ultimate solution”?
How so, has he said he wants to kill all the jews?
Feel free to read up on DHH and the people he supports, I’m certain you’ll agree
None of the responses to my post has an actual claim or proof of this behavior other than “he a nazi bro”.
This is a fair point, but the good thing about Omarchy is that it has been a great and easy gateway into Linux for me and peoole like me. Sure there’s Ubuntu and Mint, but those just feel like Windows with extra steps. Omarchy, and especially Hyprland and the keyboard oriented approach, have opened my eyes for what cool stuff can be done. I’m really sad for the nazi stuff. I’m actually moarning a bit, because I liked Omarchy. But I do have a sense for what I want to and can do with my OS now. I’m still a bit nervous for setting up drivers and such, but I’ll give it a try
Just use Niri on any other arch based distro instead. Just say no to Nazis.
I will be checking out Niri.Thanks
So, what you are saying is that it offers nothing new of value since many other distros do it better, and that it is made by a fucking Nazi. I’m glad you got over it.
This is sad, I didn’t know he was racist. Is there other alternative? I wanted to get my cousin get into Linux, omarchy looked great, maybe I will stick to Ubuntu. Anything else that has good UI? maybe I can borrow ideas(steal) from someone else’s setup
Lots of good options, but plain ol Fedora with KDE can look great and is reliable, or if you want something more experimental like omarchy then CachyOS would be good.
It you want a good, well maintained Arch based distro, check out Garuda. It’s been rock solid for me.
Try Kubuntu. Its Ubuntu, which is perfectly fine for beginners, and it uses the KDE UI which is easy to use with a lot of options
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Trendy distros for cool kids right now are, for instance, CachyOS or Bazzite. No need to support Nazis.
I love and have run Garuda for years now. It is a pretty good pre-configured Arch derivative, and you can easily choose among different UI styles and desktop environments. Super easy to install as well.
Plus, the Dr460nized Gaming Edition comes with conflicting package managers, so you can get the training wheels on for being a power user! … I have it on my gaming tower and I love it
Just learn Arch it’s got a slight difficulty curve but it’s a great way to get into Linux. Excellent wiiki for reference and a huge mostly positive community. Then, when you’re ready for the next adventure you can come on over to nix 🤓
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I think it’s possible to separate creator from work.
I think the devs of GrapheneOS and Valetudo are kind of dicks, for example, but I still use their software. That shouldn’t be seen as personal endorsement for any of their views.
Separate omarchy from DHH and it’s still omarchy. An arch linux installer and dotfile collection created by claude. It could disappear and nothing of value would be lost.
It could disappear…
Nice how the sentence and the general statement work for omarchy and claude.
I think it’s possible to separate creator from work.
Not when it comes to consumerism. By consuming their product you are directly supporting that creator. Installing omarchy boosts their numbers which attracts more users. We could all just not do that and not support nazis
I think it’s possible to separate creator from work.
It’s a sensible, reasonable thing to do, to which I agree in generally.
With Omarchy and DHH in particular however, I’m not so sure. Not because of “his opinions” or “him being a dick”, but because just how undercooked his takes have gotten. That too reflects in Omarchy, which is style (for the lack of a better word) over substance.
And that you can indeed use to deduce that you should probably not trust it with your banking data or whatever.
So I would argue that it is a question of which part you want to separate and for what reason, essentially.
are kind of dicks
Being a dick is very different from being a Nazi
Yes it is, so why the fuck are people calling them Nazi?
Even separating creator from work, would you actually be willing to install an OS that was entirely made by Claude? Because that’s what this is. And also, fuck Nazis.
If it works fine I don’t mind. But yes, fuck Nazis.
The works sucks as well. It’s just arch with a. Shitty dot file management system on top that is super fragile and insecure.
The work is just an idea and a statement
The “work” in question does not exist in a vacuum tho, and will very likely be used to further the worldview of the creator. Anti-woke moderation here, a blogpost about great replacement there etc.
Like I don’t have anything against harry potter, but the money you pay for it go through jk rowling directly to a bunch of right wing nobheads.
How would Hyprland possibly be used to further a right wing agenda? By introducing a wordpad app?
and will very likely be used to further the worldview of the creator.
This is absolutely correct. What worries me a bit is that it’s also what those guys bank on. Being perceived the “less miserable” space I mean (as long as you’re some white dude I guess).
I’m not sure if the… uh… “meme” helps in that regard, because, while the idea is to oppose them, it I think just contributes to their story and frame.
So, ideally, to be effective against (alt-)right, we would want to be the cool, capable people, you want to be around.
(This, I think, is also why omarchy is so style over substance. it’s trying to own the “cool”-ness)
Yeah, I made this and it isn’t as much a meme as it is a shitty edit. I just really needed a vent, I guess.
There is a level of irony on this topic regarding Lemmy. In that the lead dev is persona non grata in a majority of instances and his instance is defederated by many others.
“Death of the Author” is one of those questions that needs an answer but people wont be consistent in their responses, especially weird online communities like here.
For what it’s worth, the instance I am posting from runs a fork of piefed, because fuck the lemmy devs and fuck rimu.
Nazis… “kind of dicks”… yeah, totally the same thing.
So why are you calling them nazis?
I don’t use omarchy or know anything about it, and I couldn’t care less. you have to separate the work from the artist as long as it’s open source, it’s all good.
I don’t like politics in my linux feed disguised as memes
I personally can’t separate the artist from the work tbh. If the creator is disgusting then I’m going to do my best to avoid the product every single time. That being said, I’m completely out of the loop on this Omarchy thing so I dunno about that lol
Isn’t Linux political because Linus/people didn’t like how Microsoft was running computing or just wanted their own digital sovereignty?
As far as I’m aware, everything is political because we don’t all agree on how things should be run or used. The fact you have the CHOICE to use Linux, is political. The fact you have clean drinking water (hopefully!) is political, because there are assholes who wouldn’t give a care in the world if yours was contaminated as long as they get a buck or two.
Not attacking you or your stance, but everything really is political, whether you like it or not.
I fear posts like this can cause a Streisand effect. How about not giving free publicity to that stuff.
Fair point. There’s already a lot of news posts about this, though, so I’d rather let as my people know that DHH is a fucking Nazi and people should be angry about the fact that $8m went to fund Nazism instead of actual leftist ideals of FLOSS.
It’s the first I’m hearing about it. And I would have rather not heard about it.
So your real issue is that the money did not go to a leftist? :'D
First I’m hearing about it.
Ayo how did we go from Linux to Nazi?
I watched almost 10 minutes of a youtuber shilling it and my takeaway is “linux for Elon Musk”. The marketing was leaning heavily into “powered by the bedrock of archlinux. Use this and you can have honorary arch cred”. And like, no! As an arch user, I started on ubuntu. It took me years to gain the competencies to be an arch power user. And throughout my learning journey I had the loving embrace of an operating system that didn’t expect me to learn fucking keyboard shortcuts. It ships with a keyboard first tiling window manager, and those are HARSHLY unforgiving. I tried i3 after I’d already moved into my gentoo phase, and I still found it tough and ultimately did not stick with it, realising if I want a keyboard first workflow I can create shortcuts for my stacking window manager and still have the mouse to fall back on. That and its intentional 80s hacker aesthetic just REEKS of I use arch btw elitism. Trash distro. I don’t want ubuntu to stay the face of linux, but I’d rather the title go to an old guard like Fedora, not this poser.
This wants to be the distro you use if you want people to think you’re vewy smart.
Finding out its vibe coded and the creator is an Elon wannabe just reinforces my initial impressions
It’s less arch and more Manjaro by a cringe edge lord
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I read through all the comments here, and at time of writing I kind of don’t like that Hyprland and Omarchy are both labelled as nazi software… It is mentioned in multiple comments that being an asshole developer is not the same as being a nazi, yet people still call Hyprland “nazi software”. Why? Vaxry is an asshole, but according to this nazi<->asshole categorisation, I don’t find it accurate that people here (with many likes on each such comment) rightfully call Omarchy nazi software and give examples why that is true, and then just casually attach Hyprland into the nazi category because… (???) the dev is an asshole?
Mostly because the dev has fostered a community that is aggressively bigoted and not only refuses to do anything about it but defends it and participates in the hate. Primarily against trans people but they’ve had plenty of other controversies from their discords and forums. More than just “being an asshole”
and the NSA made ghidra, judt because the creator is horrible doesn’t make the software bad
Ok so you’re arguing an entirely different point than what this comment chain was about lmao.
More than just “being an asshole”
Yeah, might be true, their discord is a toxic cesspool. And yes, there was that case of the power tripping transphobic mod. But c’mon, “nazi”… If anything, it weakens the nazi tag of a literal nazi.
Not sure if you are aware, but hyprland even has a code of conduct now (check on github) due to those events. It could be argued that it is a bit lax or not as enforced as we would want, but it is a step in the correct direction. Compare that to DHH who seems to be on a straight downward trend with no signs of stopping…
Im not saying they’re equivalent, just saying why people might call vaxry a nazi. I’m not using that terminology myself, I’d say he’s somebody who is way too cozy with bigots for me to feel comfortable in that community or the things they touch. But i get where people are coming from, whether somebody says that he’s nazi adjacent or whatever they’re generally conveying the same idea in harsher terms. I’m glad they’re cleaning up their act with a CoC though, I really liked the hyprland experience when I used it, and it would be a net benefit for everybody if they made the ecosystem around it welcoming and safe for all stripes of people. But that trust takes time and active showing of good faith to build
You keep linking this URL without any context or explanation, could you please point me to what you are trying to say? All I see is an asshole dev with a toxic discord being a crybaby, not a nazi like in the case of Omarchy…
You’re right. I need to find a better source. It will take me a bit, because the story is a few years old.
Let’s add Bryan Lunduke and his shitty “distro” to this list as well. https://github.com/BryanLunduke/LCOS
For those out of the loop: He’s not a straight up Nazi supporter like DHH, but Lunduke is vocally anti-LGBTQ and commonly criticizes LGBTQ support from other distro maintainers. Notice the “No weird politics” line in the screenshot on his Github. That’s what he’s referring to.
