BBC, why not include uk’s opinion? Is it because your daddy didn’t liked the result?
Russia is absolutely cleaning house this decade. Daaaaamn
What myopic bullshit. China has been and still is a deep supporter of Russia’s war.
Sure, USA under Trump was majorly fucked up even in the first term, and now it’s even worse. And while Trump is still licking Putin’s boots, they are not actively supporting Russia.
They are supporting Israel instead… No one said these people had a positive view of their own government either.
Then out of an environmentalist point, USA is one of the worst of all states on earth, probably THE worst…
China acts at least smart, I already feel embarassed as European about what USA has become. China seems to act the smartest in regards of progress currently (i.e. massively electrifying shit…).
Ok, so a few points here. 1. China makes up their statistics, which are totally utter bullshit. They lie about GDP, COVID deaths, and pretty much everything else.
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I’m not sure what environmentalist view you’re looking at but China opened 45+ coal power plants in 2025 alone. The US hasn’t opened one since 2013, and even dip shit trump leading the pack the US has 2 planned in the future.
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China’s AQI is 999+ in most parts of the country. In comparison New York City averaging 103-110. So no, they’re pumping crazy shit in the air constantly.
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80% of the water in China isn’t drinkable/potable. 60% isn’t for for animals.
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China leads the world in rare earth minerals, and this may come as a surprise, but rare earth minerals aren’t actually rare. Other countries don’t extract them because it is so toxic and destroys the land. China has zero issue with this as long as they get paid, which is the Chinese mantra.
I can keep going if you’re like?
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This has been happening every 4 years for the past 30 years. It will change once again once Trump is replaced by a Dem.
This also goes for Russia, Israel, China, or whatever other country. People put too much stock on perception trends, when in reality it means very little. Things like this change at the drop of a hat.
It will change once again once Trump is replaced by a Dem.
Rubio’s state department has been standing up fascist dictatorships in Latin America as quickly as he can.
I suspect any Dem who replaces him and isn’t fully in board with ethically cleansing indigenous people south of the border will have a difficult time.
Then you’ve got fascist governments in the Philippines, India, and Japan, all of whom have been very much onboard with Trump’s ultra-nationalism.
And European fascists from Reform UK to the AfD have been piling up election wins for years, in no small part thanks to American tech billionaire support.
Anyone who believes this all ends the day Trump flounders out of office is kidding themselves. We will, at best, be right back where we started on January 7th, 2021.
And yet it means nothing. When you look at glonal perception data of the US, it was favorable under Clinton, Obama, and Biden and unfavorable under Bush and Trump both times. Outside of the obvious partisan implications, the data shows that perception changes a lot and very quickly. It really doesn’t mean much outside of the present atmosphere.
Can only speak of my own country, but we certainly did nothing to permanently decouple from the US under Bush or the first Trump term. But we are now. I think you underestimate how much damage Trump has done to the US’ relations with the rest of the world
Trump has actually quipped about making Venezuela the “51st state”. They are committed to bringing back the era of banana dictatorships and quasicolonialism.
Europe: “They both suck!”
They both suck but currently the us suck a bit more. Is it because of them acting like the abusive partner they are and that side is finally revealed? Dislike with a side of betrayal.
The EU is slowly moving the US to the same category China was already in.
There is more loud animosity towards the US because they are more interegrated today because of the old trusts that are being broken.
You shun heathens but you burn heritics and all
China may be a dictatorship, but they actually put tax money into public projects. When they say they are going to do a project for the next X years it actually gets done. As a result, when cool new projects come up, the infrastructure is already there. It is one of the reasons why Chinese EVs are so good and so cheap.
Meanwhile, we have the US where the government is wholly noncommittal to public services that don’t extract money from their citizens. They frequently break contracts and agreements when they are no longer profitable or beneficial to the upper class. We have private militaries kidnapping and killing legal citizens just for existing.
It’s no wonder people view the US less favorably than China. Both are evil, but at least China doesn’t behave like a petulant child.
Chinese EVs are so cheap because of the massive direct subsidies they get from the Chinese government, not because of some infrastructure.
I’ll take a dictator that seems to care about the well-being of their country over a wannabe dictator that only cares about getting paid any day.
“I’ll take a dictator…”
This is a MAGA talking point and repeated by MAGA supporters.
No we won’t.
Americans scream and spit on Chinese democracy while they cling to electoral colleges and governor appointed senators and the fight to disenfranchise minority voters en mass.
I just don’t know how to take any of it seriously. China’s a dictatorship because it’s ruled by a single, seemingly insurmountable communist party. But Texas and Florida can elect Republicans to a bulletproof supermajority for 40 years and that’s just the Will Of The People.
A Congress with a 20% approval rating enjoys a Lockean Mandate, while a Parliament with 50-70% approval is a tyrannical regime of brutal oppression.
And don’t even get me started on prison population…
How are we even defining democracy anymore? It just seems like American Exceptionalism.
How are we even defining democracy anymore?
There are multiple organisations invested in rating democracies worldwide, the main one is from The Economist EIU ,(https://www.eiu.com/n/campaigns/democracy-index-2025/, there are numerous places where the raw data is published more accessible such as here: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/democracy-index-eiu).
I personally prefer the index made by Freedom House (https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world) because it includes what a regular citizen experiences:
For each country and territory, Freedom in the World analyzes the electoral process, political pluralism and participation, the functioning of the government, freedom of expression and of belief, associational and organizational rights, the rule of law, and personal autonomy and individual rights.
Their assessment of the US democracy:
EIU (2024): 7.85/10, “flawed democracy” Freedom in the world score (2025): 81/100
These scores obviously are not about other things that matter, like economic stability or access to healthcare.
Damn, you can’t even use China as the positive comparison here without some random tankie getting pissed I didn’t adequately glaze China.
you can’t even use China as the positive comparison here
tankie
Yeah, the comparison is positive, but also anyone who disagrees with you wants you murdered by a tank.
FFS, can you people take any level of criticism?
Both governments suck, but the US’s currently does more. So I’d agree.
Both governments suck
Which policies have the Chinese bureaucrats failed to deliver for their civilian population?
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“No, that’s not a child in the factory! Why would you spread such baseless lies?!”
Perception shifts faster than policy sometimes.
Wait a second - you mean people have an opinion about the country they hear the most about? And they have a negative opinion about the ones that have the most negative information presented about them? Ya don’t say?
I don’t think the presentation of information is the issue here…
One (China) is absolutely an authoritarian government, while the other (USA) is still nominally a democracy (though having its own issues with authoritarianism). While the US and Europe have been moving towards stripping the rights of privacy froms its people, all those methods have already been in place in China for over a decade.
Both also have marked histories, but the US is notably loud with its current troubles while China is keeping quiet. It’s primarily presentation
- This is about the perception of a country in other countries. Their internal governmental system is irrelevant for most people. They care about what affects them.
- The policies China implements internally rarely have very much negative consequences for the rest of the world. They have been providing the rest of the world with many products of increasing quality. That’s what people notice. A rare exception may be the power they exert over their possession of rare earth metals, but I doubt many people understand what that means. Meanwhile the US’s economy is intertwined with that of many other countries. The international role of the dollar and the hegemony of the US in general mean that the decisions that are made internally affect a lot of other countries. On top of that, people in other countries are reliant on US software and credit card systems that have become increasingly invasive in people’s lives, as well as American streaming services that have enshittified.
- The current administration has been actively stabbing their long-time allies in the back, calling them names, burning pacts once made in good faith, climate agreements, etc.
- But it’s not just the current administration. Here is a list of wars involving the USA vs. China in the 21st century. Note that the list for China in the 21 century doesn’t exist—they haven’t been fighting any wars. If a country is bombing you or your neighbour you might feel a little worse about said country.
- The wars the US causes and especially the shenanigans of this administration are really felt throughout the world. A price increase at the pump is a very tangible result of the mess the US is making of the world at the moment. Meanwhile China is biding their time, being much smarter with soft power. A lot of countries have increased their economical ties with China and are seeing very real progress in their countries, like a train track with new trains that wasn’t there 10 years ago.
Note, I don’t mean to say the regime in China is a particularly good one, but man are they causing less shit for the rest of the world. Some small skirmishes in the South China Sea really don’t make a dent compared to the shit the US is pulling.
- More subtle shit for the rest of the world. The US is just now trying to catch up to China in mass survlience and manipulation tech, while China has exporting it for years to get more regimes up to snuff.
Not saying the US hasn’t had large survelence systems, or propaganda, but the Great Firewall still mostly stands as a unique achievement for Chinese authoritarianism, and the US black bagging a major power player that wasn’t totally aligned with the regime would spark a crisis instead of a quite few months.
If I had a choice I’d choose the constant pervasive spy network and manipulation over being bombed, but that is preference on the flavor of evil to me, not on the degree.
It is absolutely a factor here. If all you ever get is negative reporting then that dominates the discussion
If there’s a lot of negative to report, a lot of negative gets reported
But there is so much positive to report - why isn’t it being reported on?
this US citizen is very much anti US and more pro China than pro US.
For real
Well, what about pro-US countries? Curious abour those.
Sure, here’s the exhaustive list:
Israel?
israel is not a country, but they also prob see the US as bitches not a country they support.
Israel isn’t a country?
correct.
Are you going to explain that? Or is there some subtext we are supposed to understand?
what’s there to explain? the zionists who think israel needs to be a thing are actually living in Palestine. simple, really.
They have a government, can enforce law, and are recognized by other countries. Aka they’re a country.
What’s wrong with Nigeria and Kenya, can they read or speak? Do they get the news?
Do you know what “favourable” means?
Given the news cycles unerring focus on Trump’s circus, this isn’t surprising. Xi has been very quiet of late, though his support of Russia may flip some of those values once the dust settles and the news cycles shifts focus once more.
I suppose it could also just be because Xi is the more skilled autocrat?
Seems good at what he is doing, but China is so big he could just be quietly fucking up and it’d take a while to be able to tell.
Momentum is a hell of a thing
he could just be quietly fucking up and it’d take a while to be able to tell
Tbh, China has had a huge debt and property crisis the past few years. The US Republicans like to complain about debt (which they primarily cause, but that’s a different discussion) but China’s debt to GDP ratio is 3 times higher than the US.
A lot of this is brought on by all of the housing construction that China’s been doing the past couple decades to dodge recessions. Many Chinese families now own several homes, most of which are uninhabited, for use as an investment vehicle. And most of these homes have been bought with debt.
The problem with China’s situation is that a lot of these homes are build in giant blocks in the middle of nowhere, creating giant ghost cities with almost nobody living in them. Plus these housing block are not made well, with improperly mixed concrete, so they won’t last very long, making them a terrible investment.
Add the fact that China’s birthrate has plummetted below replacement levels, and the Chinese population is about to start quickly dropping, meaning there will be little demand for housing, causing any values these homes had to drop as well.
China is in a “calm before the storm” style of situation at the moment, but in a few years it’s going to get bad
From the chats I had with folks in China they said these massive developments got promoted to people as investments. So people put their savings into them thinking they’d pay off. Turned out these new units were far too expensive for the vast majority of Chinese people to afford so they remained empty. It is going to be a mess. I wouldn’t be surprised if the gov just stepped in and seized the properties and rented/sold them out at lower prices just to prevent a collapse and put them to use.
The “ghost city” thing is an outdated myth. China built up development for long term plans in anticipation of future demand, intending for them to be underpopulated in the short term.
Bloomberg - China’s Ghost Cities Are Finally Stirring To Life After Years Of Empty Streets
60 minutes ran a story in 2013 using the Zhengzhou New Area as an example of a “ghost city.” Today, it’s population is 1.3 million.
This is one of the limitations of capitalism and that perspective, that relies solely on market signals to determine what to build when. If there’s an undeveloped region, there’s not going to be a lot of people want to live there. But if you build up the infrastructure, it creates demand. China still has a very large rural population and is trending towards urbanization.
Tbh, China has had a huge debt and property crisis the past few years. The US Republicans like to complain about debt (which they primarily cause, but that’s a different discussion) but China’s debt to GDP ratio is 3 times higher than the US.
Source? The only thing I could find similar to that claim was this which lists China’s total public and private debt at 300% GDP. The same figure for the US is 265% GDP. Comparing only central/federal government debt, the IMF lists China’s at 88% GDP and US at 120% GDP.
I traveled outside of Beijing about 2 years ago and I passed through a ghost city. I could see, literally, from horizon to horizon nothing but the same exact style apartment buildings and construction cranes in the distance. In the streets though, nothing. You know if a unit is occupied because there will be an AC unit in the window and I estimated about 5% of the units were occupied. I could count the number of people I saw on one hand.
construction cranes in the distance
So it sounds like it was still early in development. As I said, they’re planned to be underpopulated at first because they are built in anticipation of demand rather than in response to it. Other areas that have been reported on as “ghost cities” have since been populated.
How about others 172?
Hey, theres 25 who likes China, aweosme China awesome? who cares 172 who do not?
Give us whole picture, u filthy manipulator! It is like 25 do Like China more and
and 172 put them on equally good? (similar to Nigeria or Kenya?)
and 172 do hate them both? (like Sweden?)
and 172 others do likes only murica? (like reversed Pakistan)
What is the picture?
How about showing the data per continent? per capital? per political system? per wars with each (both against or as allies)?
So far, this pic above is meh manipulation, bbc, op.
I dislike both equally.
But the culture of China is more attractive.
