It’s just a bourgeois democracy.
And the reason they haven’t had an elections is because they don’t want this guy to be in charge?
I wonder if I’ll be down voted?
Putin was chosen by Russian oligarchs after the second sovereign default in 10 years.
He used to carry luggage for the mayor of St Petersburg, Sobchak.
An Islamic caliphate started a civil war in the South of Russia before he was chosen, this is why Russian oligarchs needed a man with a military backgound.
My favorite trope is how libs will inevitably start screeching about Russia when faced with the fact that their ideology is midwifing fascism.
You’re saying that of they held an election, people would either vote for Putin or someone that is pro Russia? I thought Ukraine was united against him…
This totally makes sense if we consider the fact that many westerners don’t consider nonwesterners to be people.
Colonizers can’t choose the presidents of sovereign nations anymore, the people there do the choosing now, and that makes the colonizers furious.
I’m confused by the comment? Putin is trying to colonize Ukraine. Putin mad because they had a free election to elect the person who is holding his own against an ageing wana be world power in a war going on for years that was supposed to be over in days. Also Putin rig’s his own elections so him demanding is bit well, fix your own shit before you fix someone else. Oh wait Putin does fix his own elections.
You’re overthinking it, my comment was purely about the picture you posted
The Russian Federation is not trying to colonize Ukraine. Their goal is NATO neutrality, and annexation of the four oblasts, which are largely pro-Russian. This is a response to the ethnic repressions against Russians in the Donbass following the coup of Yanukovych in 2014, and the ensuing secession of Donetsk and Luhansk and the civil war that followed.
The war was never supposed to be over in days. This was circulated as a means to humiliate Russia, but all talks of an attack lasting days either came from many years before 2022, or from the west.
As for Putin rigging elections, this might be true, but we also know that he is legitimately popular in Russia. The nationalists are most popular, followed by the communists. The pro-western liberals like Navalny was are in the minority and have no real support base.
This goes against my current view of the situation. The NATO expansion is somewhat understandable, not enough for a war perhaps, but unsure.
Care to point me in the direction to read more about this?
What in particular do you question? It’s a complex and ongoing subject, so there’s no one-stop shop for it. The closest I can do is point you to threads like this one.
Thanks, exactly what I was looking for! 😄 As a Norwegian pretty much everyone sides with Ukraine, and I have not really challenged that view for myself. I have just accepted the narrative “Russia = imperialistic & bad. Ukraine = democracy & good”. So it’s probably a good idea to try to understand it
Understandable! It’s one of the more difficult topics for westerners like us to grasp, and it took me some time to come around to the ML consensus on the Russian Federation (ie, it isn’t imperialist if we accept Lenin’s analysis, and actually is anti imperialist even if run by bourgeois oligarchs).
Wow, it’s like I’m on reddit all over again. Propaganda hits hard.
Can you elaborate? Since when did Reddit have a sizable communist userbase?
I said the absolute contrary. There’s nothing communist about Russia nowadays. It’s as capitalist as it gets.
No way!!! No one told us!!!
Of course Russia is no longer socialist. My point is that what I said is the standard communist stance on the Russian Federation, that of critical support.
You are the master of fractal wrongness.
I wasn’t aware that intergalactic law required all elections to include Vladimir Putin on the ballot. And are you suggesting everybody would vote for him if he was an option?
I’m so tired of doing a poll at work for where to get lunch and Putin winning.
He does make a good borscht.
Yes, I think they are trying to say people would vote pro-russian (which they did, hence the maidan coup), but Putin bad because no democracy, so therefore Ukraine had to get rid of democracy, to save democracy. Perfectly good lib logic.
Who is the third from the left?PS: Sorry that was politically incorrect, let me rephrase my question: Who is the second from the far right?
Kier Starmer, aka Kid Starver and Kiev Sturmer
those are leaders of the free and democratic world right there . also why cant zelnsky dress normal
his image advisor has no idea what to do after getting blasted by trump for not wearing a suit so now he’s trying to compensate with these ones.
he’s a method actor
I think it’s deliberately showing: “Guys my country is literally at war right now, I won’t pretend we’re not by keeping up appearances”
At least he isnt winning at the polls with 140% of the vote
How is Trump doing better than them?!!!
Have you seen the average yank
he’s not
To be fair, they’re (understandably) under martial law which has been extended in 90 day increments since 2022 with parliamentary approval. Elections aren’t to be held under martial law per Ukranian law, and there have been referenda to determine if elections should be held, which failed.
And the bit where they criminalised over ten opposition parties?
there have been referenda to determine if elections should be held
??? I can’t find evidence of any such referenda. This seems to just be false. Do you just mean ‘survey’?
I am (and most people are) not saying Ukraine MUST hold elections tomorrow. But the meme’s point stands - that none of these people have a meaningful democratic mandate.
dont try to argue with the red army on lemmy. they cannot take any reasoning, lol. it seems like they dont know anyone from the Ukraine and only care about spewing russian Propaganda…
dont try to argue with the white army on lemmy. they cannot take any reasoning, lol. it seems like they dont know anyone from the proletariat and only care about spewing tsarist Propaganda…
Why are you on lemmy? Is anyone forcing you or paying you to be on lemmy?
Genuine questions:
Was he seemingly fairly elected originally, and did he hold elections previously? (I don’t know how Ukrainian elections work or how long he was in office before 2022)
How “in control” is he of the parliament / the referenda determining elections? Is it a Trump situation where all his buddies are in position to say, “sure! give him all the power!”, or is there more separation?
I’m admittedly relatively uninformed in the conflict, but I will say it was interesting seeing the general opinion of Lemmy go from “Slava Ukraini, fuck Russian Nazis, here’s some footage of Russian teenagers getting blown up with drones, Trump bad for not wanting to give aid” to “Zelensky is a fascist war criminal and also a Nazi and dumb American liberals are bad for siding with them” seemingly overnight. The switch happened a while ago but it was apparently unanimous.
My two cents as a western European: several things can be true at once. Russia is still the agressor, starting with the annexation of Crimea in 2014. Zelenskyy was elected shortly after that, replacing a puppet regime that was in place for quite some time (although that’s just what we’ve been told, again I’m not Ukrainian so I haven’t followed a lot of it).
Zelenskyy does have some folks in government that are his unconditional allies but that’s uniform in politics. His current role is that of a caricature he’s become since he was painted as some sort of hero in 2022, where he made some correct PR decisions. Now that he shares a stage with the US’s odd characters, his job has become somewhat bizarre so he’s fully aware he needs to be looking more at the EU. He’s always been pro-EU and wanted to join as soon as he took power.
This shift you speak of came from lemmy.ml or lemmygrad, but their users also spill over into world since those instances have mostly been defederated because of the baseless accusations towards Ukraine. What is based in reality is that there in extremists in Ukrainian ranks that have, let’s say, unorthodox views, but their main objective is still to just fight Russia out of Ukraine.
I think that for most of lemmy, people are just getting more or less bored of voicing their support, making it easier for pro-Russian voices to prevail. But it’s usually pretty much troll-ey ragebait and I think a lot of lemmings just downvote and move on. Plus, lemmy and piefed have pretty decent filtering options making it easier to just block content you’re tired of seeing.
starting with the annexation of Crimea in 2014
That is the ukrainian october 7
My assumption is that the Russian psyops teams discovered Lemmy and have been influencing opinions, the same as they have previously on Facebook.
Of course it is, liberal vanity and solipsism means you cannot possibly countenance the prospect of an actual person disagreeing with you unless money has changed hands.
The communists have been on Lemmy since the beginning.
My assumption is that the NATO/nafo psyops teams utilize reddit and communities like .world and have been influencing opinions, the same as they have previously on Facebook.
