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  • Haven’t got much time but will say this:

    “That is a VERY common political method. “Stupid” suggestions that will never get accepted comes up every day for various reasons”
    That could be a possibility, especially since the magic minerals have been promised to the UK in their 100 year deal.

    Then it would be a very elaborate and convoluted way to get out of ukraine without looking (more) like losers.

    The rest of your points show you think the same as Zelenski.
    It’s politics, you keep that indoors and this event is for the media.
    You play the part and certainly don’t lose your cool or try to make a point.
    Like you and me, he is not a politician and can’t control himself.
    He has been described by his own entourage last year as completely unreasonable.
    This thing was a deal where he need to compromise yet he goes back into his fanatic stance.
    Facts call for compromise and acceptance, not his utopic unrealistic total victory.
    All this was a sad spectacle.
    Either way, it will not be the US or Ukraine who decide.
    Mineral deal or not.
    The Russians will have the final say.
    The European vasals 2 cents wanting to give safety guarantees is even more of a farce.
    They can not back that up and there will be no EU or US soldiers in Ukraine.
    That was clearly stated as a red line from the start and would mean retaliation against the countries that took part. WW3
    The west didn’t dare risk it when they were in a much better position. Certainly not now.



  • You haven’t watched the whole thing did you?

    First of all it was Trump who wanted and came up with the deal, why would it be “a setup and they never planned for the deal to go through”?
    It was Zelensky that fucked up, went off script and tried to hijack the event, insulted Trump many times during the more cordial first 40 minutes.

    1). Trump said USA gave most money to Ukraine, Z said no they didn’t, EU gave more, Trump said no we did, Z started arguing, Trump smiled, said well discuss it later, patted Z on the back.

    2). Zelensky said the war was between Ukraine and Russia, and that USA could be allowed in negotiation after peace as a partner… And I think this really pissed off Vance and Trump.

    3). Zelensky said that “maybe if you believe the Russian lies,” in response to one of Trump’s statements, as if he was on r/politics.

    4). he trotted out those pictures, with that condescending tone, acting like Trump is just a big orange dummy that needs his kindergarten lesson in war. He literally talks to Trump like he is a child while handing him the pictures.

    Think about #4 for a minute to get a grasp on the arrogance. Do you think pows were not discussed behind close doors? Of course they were. So Z trots out these pictures like Trump was unaware of the situation, handing him pictures like he was going to give Trump a lesson, and this might be when Vance started to lose his cool.

    Also his little coke twitches became more apparent after some time.
    He can’t pretend to be normal for 40 minutes.




  • Ukraine has a massive nazi problem that has been swept under the carpet.
    Before zelenski they certainly were controled by them and they still are a powerful force. They laughed in his face in 2019 when he talked to them about ending the war.
    (I mean the war against the east that didn’t want to live under the fascists after their violent coup. But like the zionist do it’s perfectly fine to ignore this and say the violence started when evil Russia attacked ukraine for no reason, the ukranian oct 7). When Zelenski fired Zalushni he posted this as a veiled threat.
    The Banderites said they would hang Zelenski if he would start negotiating.
    If there would be elections now one of the extreme right would become president (again)