• AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
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    6 days ago

    I don’t think this post was written by ChatGPT. I do think the human who wrote it uses ChatGPT so much they’re adopting its mannerisms.

  • Ricky Rigatoni@piefed.zipEnglish
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    9 days ago

    i genuinely wonder where people are getting their information when they talk about linux. mass schizophrenic hysteria?

  • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    10 days ago

    My machines got borked every time I tried to do a Debian or Fedora dist-upgrade following the official guide, like 4 times total. Rolling updates on Arch require manual intervention once in a blue moon and haven’t broken my system since I got rid of Nvidia

    • sudo@programming.dev
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      10 days ago

      Ubuntu will actively break itself via snapd at like 2am on a Sunday.

      Fedora could not do a fully system update on a 1GB VPS because dnf would OOM.

      The dumbest thing I’ve seen Arch do in over a decade of using it is put RabbitMQ in its official repos while also rolling the latest version of Erlang which RabbitMQ doesn’t support.

      • pmk@piefed.caEnglish
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        9 days ago

        No, you may be thinking about combining repos from different releases aka frankendebian? That isn’t supported. Upgrades are definitely supported.

    • Random Dent@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      10 days ago

      I have Arch (btw) on my laptop which is the tinkering machine that only I use, and a Win10/Linux dual-boot desktop which is the one other people use that I’m not allowed to break. I had Fedora Silverblue on there originally because I figured it would be pretty stable, but it honestly gave me nothing but trouble. I switched that one over to CachyOS and it’s been smooth sailing ever since.

  • ur_dad@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 days ago

    And if I’m a windows normie that’s sick of windows windowing, I’ll be fine using mint… Right? Y’all are good at making this sound very complex.

    • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
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      9 days ago

      Mint is super nice for people that don’t like linux stuff. I use it in my workstations and most don’t even know they are on linux.

    • sudo@programming.dev
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      9 days ago

      Mint is perfect for exactly that purpose. There’s a daunting marketplace of alternatives all with different specialties. Mint’s specialty is being as easy and newbie friendly as possible. Out of the box - it just works - etc.

      • HM King Charles III DG FD@feddit.ukEnglish
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        9 days ago

        It’s easier just recommending the distro rather than Linux in general.

        I know someone who was starting to dislike windows, I sent them the Linux mint site. Had a much more positive interaction compared to when I had just previously said “what about using Linux?”

        I actually think this is a similar way to push the fediverse. Just recommend a good instance instead of trying to sell them on federated technology. The federated technology will show them content and “how does this actually work” could be a conversation for later.

  • e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de
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    10 days ago

    Fedora Immutable Desktop users when Arch and Debian users fight about whose system is more stable. (I use Fedora Kinoite btw)

  • ruuster13@lemmy.zip
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    10 days ago

    I’m just chiming in to not announce which distro I’m using.

    -sent from Voyager on Android

  • KindaABigDyl@programming.dev
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    10 days ago

    I wonder how many Arch haters have actually used Arch and ever ran into a breaking issue.

    In my 8 years of daily driving Arch, I have had 1 ever, and it was only bad bc I didn’t know of BTRFS yet.

    That happened 3 years in, and I went on a new distro-hopping spree in between, trying Fedora, NixOS, and others, and they had actual problems. Not “oh an update broke my system and was fixed in a day.”

    So now I’ve been back on Arch for more years.

    This whole “Arch is always breaking and takes so much maintenance” is a myth. In reality, Arch is the most stable, because it packages everything Vanilla. Everything works the “standard” way. On Debian, things decay, and then some stuff that’s new breaks with some stuff that’s old. On Fedora, there is a Red-Hat tax: configs in weird places, strange scripts, software missing from main repos (COPR sucks btw). On Arch, it’s just “normal” Linux; and that works

    • NekuSoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de
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      10 days ago

      Yeah, I’ve noticed there’s this subsection of people that have a completely wrong understanding of what the term “stable” means in the world of distros, and that it often creates as many problems as it solves, particularly on a desktop PC, or even worse, a gaming PC.

      And for there record: Stable just means that things don’t change. That doesn’t mean it contains less bugs, is easier to use or is more secure. And on the flip side it doesn’t mean that distros that are not “stable” are necessarily “unstable” in any shape or form.

      • Ooops@feddit.org
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        10 days ago

        Well… because of longer testing periods and a lot of stuff never even considered until stale the stable distros indeed have less bugs. The ones that still slip through however will basically not get fixes for years.

        On the other hand I have seen a lot of bugs on Arch… but I usually don’t care and just assume (rightfully so in 99% of the cases) that they get fixed within hours.

    • insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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      8 days ago

      I’ve used my current install for at least that long (going back further with Antergos) and you’re correct about non-rolling options… I definitely would’ve had more pain with system upgrades and PPAs etc in those years.

      That said, I think the Tamagotchi comparison probably makes sense in a way if it “dies” you probably did something “wrong” as on-paper it’s also not difficult to maintain a digital pet either.

      I’m using an outdated system, it’s on three strikes:

      1. Slow, shared internet for me. This adds friction to updates, and when I don’t update as frequently as Arch expects this is the breakage you won’t see.

      2. I hate that updating today vs days-from-now might yield drastically different results. Admittedly the actual problem with my last few updates is that the reason-I-updated issues persisted.

      3. The AUR is the biggest reason to use Arch. But use the AUR very carefully and not for system dependencies! Your graphics card is now legacy, so we put the driver on the AUR* ;)

      Though I don’t think these sort of problems are unfixable**, and other rolling distros probably do fix some of them but may also not have as good of a packaging system as Arch.

      For instance I’m trying Void Linux on an old machine and have already ran into 2 (non-default) applications missing dependencies (which might be an issue with package maintainers, but also Void doesn’t seem to track optional dependencies).

      Tumbleweed/Slowroll would probably be a better fit for me, if not for Patterns.

      * also if you update without switching, blank screen for you

      ** internet+GPU are also material problems as well, but those cannot get fixed today and probably will not be fixed next month either

    • Badabinski@kbin.earth
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      10 days ago

      This mirrors my experience. I -Syu on a weekly basis, spend about 3 minutes doing pacnews, and then I’m done.

  • mrmanager@lemmy.today
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    9 days ago

    My arch system is so stable it’s boring. Year after year, just runs. Doesn’t slow down, doesn’t install crapware.

    So I dont know. I’m happy with it.

      • Funkt4st1c@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 days ago

        My biggest problem with Arch over the last 3 years (after skill issues, of course) has been the roughly 2 days when some lib package was rewritten in Rust, breaking a bunch of depancies, so i had to rely on a flatpak.

        My biggest problem with Ubuntu has been the 2 or 3 times Canonical decided to uninstall my wifi drivers on my headless server or obliterate my kernel or just decide randomly to never update a package again (even though theyve shipped said updates)

        My issues with Arch have always been solvable in under and hour or my fault. My issues with Debian (specifically ubuntu) have been catastrophic.

        • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
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          9 days ago

          Well there’s your problem. Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it differs in quite a lot of ways. Especially if you use Ubuntu’s 6-monthly releases.

          • Successful_Try543@feddit.org
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            8 days ago

            Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it differs in quite a lot of ways.

            Probably, they didn’t use dkms to install their custom wifi driver. If that was the case, Debian and Ubuntu behave identically and the driver isn’t added if a newer updated kernel is installed.

            Especially if you use Ubuntu’s 6-monthly releases.

            If their driver was included in a user PPA, it’s gone after a Ubuntu release upgrade and the sources.list of the PPA is deleted.

      • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
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        9 days ago

        I’ve been running Debian-based servers and desktops for a fuck ton of time. I’ve never had a single upgrade break on Debian. Not sure what the hell you were doing, but that’s definitely not the norm.