And they say Microslop only does bad things lately. What do you call more people switching to Linux to avoid their enshitification, if not a good thing?
It’s like Trump “helping” the oil industry
Not surprising, the venn diagram of people who would buy a Framework (or even know it exists) and people who would choose an open source OS (or even know they exist) overlaps quite a bit, I imagine.
True. Still, it seems like a significant enough milestone for Linux.
windows is extra no?
This includes people that install windows with their own license.
Paying the full 259€ for Windows Pro is just kinda ridiculous, when you can get keys for 30€ from resellers or just for free.
Framework computers aren’t really targeted at the average consumer.
It makes sense that the kind of people who value hardware which they can easily and freely maintain and upgrade also value software which they can easily and freely maintain and upgrade.
For sure Linux being a free option vs Windows being a paid for one also helps.
Tbh the shocker for me was people buying Framework laptops with Windows on them at all…? Wut?
Businesses that have to be complaint with industry standards are unfortunately stuck using Win or MacOS
Quite well aware, as in, more aware than I want to be lol - but why would these be buying Framework tho? Overlap of folks wanting a Framework laptop at orgs forced to use (only) Windows, at orgs willing to then buy Framework laptops seems real small. And I mean, buying it with Windows installed does suggest what you’re saying.
So hey, I’m wrong about a lot, such is life lol, maybe it makes sense.
I can’t tell you for sure, but Framework does have a business team and they seem to support automatic onboarding with Intune Autopilot too. One usecase that came into my mind is that when employees demand a new computer because theirs feel slow the tech can just drop in the board into a new chassis, reinstall the OS and the marketing guy is none the wiser. Plus, frameworks are cheaper in the long run.
We order DIY Framework 13 for work. Assemble them ourselves, install Windows and import it into Intune.
If we could, we would use them with Linux.
Why buy Framework? The 13 price is pretty much on par with other laptops. We get easily replaceable ports and people get to choose exactly which ports they want. Easy repairs and instead of “throwing out” the laptop, it can get an upgrade. Sustainability.
I’m also halfway trying to talk myself into taking the plunge (admittedly not with windows, I spent a good bit of my career locked into it and I’m done lol).
You seem open to share some details, by which I mean, I feel less potentially rude to ask - care to share how long you’ve been working with em (the Frameworks)? And any details therein, how it’s been, any frustrations?
Longevity matters a lot to me, at least in the medium term (and it’s not lost that me buying their ish would help them do that in a tiny way lol), so I’m gun-shy. My current approach is simply to buy old business class Dell things for my household, there’s ~no chance I’ll find myself unable to buy parts cheaply. I do also treasure giving old machines further life, very sustainable, feels good.
Whatcha think? Time for me to upgrade my approach (slowly 😅), or best to wait it out a bit and see what develops?
The first few Framework laptops were bought back in 2024. About 30 people have a Framework now, while the rest has Lenovo’s.
Nothing but issues with Lenovo. They even have a built-in reset button on the bottom for when they freeze and not even the power button works… They are between 2-4 years old. The USB-C ports in all of them are trash.
No issues with any Framework’s so far, except one had an issue with connecting to a TV through a Lenovo dock.
That’s rad, thanks for filling me in!
Though one would expect such technically inclined users to install the OS themselves. When I bought my 16 I bought “no OS” because while Fedora (which I knew would be installed) was an option I wanted FDE and so I chose to install it myself. It’s possible many of these were first time linux users who wanted the savings but also the ease of buying with a pre-installed OS.
I wonder how many would just do it for the extra discount and then use massgrave
Even if you want Windows, it’s still better to get that edition that works just the same but has most of the bloat cut off, that they made for small business computers.
If you don’t join a domain, win11 pro will automatically install all the sponsored stuff exactly like win11 home at first login. There’s no difference in the two editions except only the pro can join a domain. Exactly same level of bloat, even if it’s more expensive
There are some other features only in pro, like Hyper-V for instance.
Who knows. Their target group is usually perfectly capable of installing an OS themselves. But if you are capable of that, chances are, you stick with Linux anyway (not necessarily Ubuntu), unless there are applications you really need that don’t work there.
Framework is a popular hardware brand among Linux users, because their hardware is already built with Linux in mind.
I recently bought a used alienware x14 r1 from a co-worker but if I hadn’t I would have picked up one of these if I knew about the company. The configurability (and upgradability) is very appealing to me.
One of these will be my next laptop I think.
Company when marketing works
Another sign its The Year Of Linux. Yes I said it. Someone had to!
Desktop Linux is seeing higher and higher market share, not just because Linux is growing but also because the desktop mode of computing is shrinking, especially for personal use. There are lots of people who used to own laptops/desktops but don’t anymore.
Yeah. This is something I’ve been trying to explain for a while. Between the Steam Deck and the declining overall market share of PCs, there’s a huge jump in Linux as far as percentage of users goes, but it isn’t actually making significant waves in general usage. Regular users are sticking with Windows and Mac, but now there’s 1 Windows or Mac laptop in a household shared by everyone now versus multiple laptops and a desktop a few hardware cycles back.
There are still a lot of Chromebooks kicking around, too. And those are technically Linux.
Year of the Linux PC, it’s just us left, everyone else is using the ID and facial scan parts of the internet.
Can it also be the summer of George? Lol
does not surprise me. Framework appeals to users, who love DIY. The same applies for Linux.
If you‘re not into Linux/DIY, MacBook gives you a much better offering for the same price. If you‘re a masochist wanting Windows, you simply have smooth other options for lower price.
I’d like to also point out that MacOS has a hypervisor support framework built in so it can virtualize Linux built for ARM (aarch64 or arm64) very well on the Apple Silicon variants and also x86 on the Intel ones.
You can set that up yourself or use something like utm, which makes it easier. UTM also lets you set up hypervisors that can run Linux built for different architectures. Of course you can also rock Asahi on Apple Silicon hardware and blah blah blah.
But also for the non-DIYers or those who cannot abide Apple anything but want Linux there are alternatives (feel free to add to this of course):
Honestly I’m surprised they ever didn’t have a Linux first stance. Its literally the perfect fucking user base for em.
They always were Linux-friendly. Some hardware choices like the fingerprint reader were directly related to Linux compatibility. Firmware and UEFI updates have always been available on Linux. They sponsor a lot of FOSS projects (some of them unfortunately linked to nazi dipshits, stirring a lot of controversy, but 99% of them are clean).
They may not have explicitely advertised Linux before, but they dropped a lot of hints.
When they started out, Linux had a lot less mindshare than it has now. Also Microsoft will absolutely retaliate against you, if you promote anything but their crapware. For a small manufacturer that can be a problem.
They’ve always designed around ensuring good Linux support with their component choices and support of fwupd, but their marketing focused on being repairable and upgradable, unlike companies like System76, who explicitly sell their laptops as Linux laptops. It seems they’ve recently started advertising their Linux support more, possibly due to their partnership to have Ubuntu pre-installed, possibly due to seeing just how many Linux users they already had or possibly due to the number of people switching from Windows to Linux.
Wow, I was surprised that their release video leaned so much into Linux. They said that this is a response to user feedback. That reminded me of when there was a lot of ask for one-handable phone but their sales were too small. So glad to see it has paid off for framework.
I bought a Pixel Fold because when closed it’s a one handed device. I mostly use the inner screen when traveling so I don’t need to bring a tablet
CEO said “it is MacBook for Linux”
Finally. There’s barely any other laptop that measures up to the build quality of a Mac.
Hopefully they keep the repairability, unlike Apple.
It’s built with a lot of off the shelf components and the schematics for the parts that aren’t are open source. So even if they stopped tomorrow, the stuff they’ve already sold will always be repairable.
Pressures change when you are still niche. Apple and Google sell devices to show ads. Bigger screens, more ads.
Yay, yet another tech company funding racists and transphobes is doing well :/
DHH is a an ethno-nationalist and a racist, I’ll grant that.
Care to support the transphobes angle with evidence? Or does it work like an honorary title?
Care to support the transphobes angle with evidence? Or does it work like an honorary title?
Interesting that you chose to be passive aggressive and get your back up at the the idea that he’s transphobic, rather than simply asking for evidence…
In any case, he did an article on his blog celebrating Abigail Shrier and her transphobic Irreversible Damage book. I’m not going to link to his blog, but if you want to find it, it was posted in March 2024
As I remembered, he positively reviewed a different book by her (Bad Therapy), which deals with parenting, and not with trans issues. Looking again (not happily), he does mention Irreversible Damage — but in passing, in an ambivalent way.
I think he never broached that particular topic, but I don’t have the stomach to go over DHH’s writing and check in detail. So you might be right.
i dislike how those of us who aren’t okay with this are just supposed to get on board because “big tent.” nazis operate by getting their foot in the door and acting respectable. then after a little bit, suddenly they’ve taken the whole place over. it’s what they do with bars, it’s what they do with music scenes, it’s what they’ve done with past open source projects, it’s what they did with the Reform Party in the united states. i need people to stop making room for nazis as long as they behave themselves
Could I have some context on this please?
Gardiner Bryant did a video on this: https://video.4d2.org/w/rPMMDnLBA4kVmScBD6w9K5
They sent money to DHH, creator of Ruby and gave some lip service to his Omarchy OS. They were defending it with some big tent statements which didn’t go super well with the ones that had a bad opinion of him. DHH has great replacement theory views which is concerning and blogs about it.
Their Arch based Hyprland stuff was overblown though since it was just one weird mod and didn’t reflect the project’s leadership opinions.
Read this blog post:
Framework does not sponsor Omarchy. They sponsor Hyprland, which is mentioned in the blog post and Rails World, a conference that DHH is part of.
List of projects sponsored by Framework:
One of several open source projects they’re helping fund happens to be run by a person like that. They’re funding is because of the open source project, but some people are very vocal that they’d rather the project not exist at all, and post about it every chance they get.
It’s like how some vegans can’t help but tell you loudly and at every opportunity that they’re vegan. Or some of the more insufferable Linux users in general. Venn diagram is probably a near circle with that linux group actually.
FOSS is a pretty small community in the grand scheme, if you avoided any project run by an objectionable individual, you couldn’t run much of anything.
There’s been plenty of posts about this particular issue all over if you go looking for it. I’d recommend doing your own research on whether you have a problem with it, and not rely on just a couple random commenters here, myself included.
They support and fund DHH
The present tense “support” is not true. If unintentional, probably best to edit the reply?
I’d be happy to if I could find any evidence it were true.
That’s not how it works, right? You make the accusation; so you provide the evidence.
The claim implied in the present tense is that their relationship with DHH (insofar as there was one) is still ongoing.
I’m not in the habit of assuming companies that knowingly supported bigots, the benefit of the doubt. If there isn’t a clear, loud and non ambiguous walking back of their clear, loud and unambiguous support, then why would you, I or anyone else assume they have done so?
Because… of the paper trail? Rails World 2026 sponsorships are up and they are not in; they haven’t retweeted Omarchy rices since October; and… I admit, I can’t be sure they haven’t sent him another computer. Which — as you know — concludes the exhaustive trifecta of clear, loud and unambiguous support for bigots.
But you, I, and everyone else knows it’s not about what they do materially. As someone in a related thread actually put in writing, they ought to “denounce, when questioned”.
Meh.
You mean Rails World?
Same guy, but no, I was referring to Omarchy and DHH himself.
As a Linux newb, I’m happy to read this. I hope that my next pc is clean from Microslop from the get go.
I was so disgusted setting up Windows the last time I had to do so. The installation process was just upselling/shoving adware. And now every other update bricks your pc.
This is it folks! This is when dozens become hundreds!
GOOD GOOOD!
