sometimes if you have nothing nice to say to that person, just post rocky horror .gifs. i really wish this site would have a .gif finder though. seriously!
No matter how fanboi-y a Linux or Apple user gets, they can never out fanboi a Microsoft fanboi. They take making shit up about competitors to a entirely new level.
Thats… Thats like a flat earther in computer stuff.
Do those really exist??
I know it gets thrown around a lot, but the Dunning-Kruger effect is real and applicable to people in all fields.
Lol scrub
You need to put this in clear [JOKE] tags, otherwise they’ll never get it.
Guh
Every operating system contributed to the bloat. Windows has Win32, OS X has Carbon / Cocoa, Linux has X11 and various widget libs that sit on top of it. So it has been a perennial nut to crack to make cross platform widgets - wxWidgets, QT, SWT/JWT/Swing on Java, XMLShell (Firefox), Electron, GTK/GTK#, winelib etc.
Throw mobile platforms into the mix and it’s an unholy mess. Lowest common denominator is HTML and so the likes of Electron “wins” even though it’s bloated and slow.
i actually don’t have a problem with HTML, i just think that instead of every app shipping their own copy of electron, the operating system should provide basic browser functionality.
the operating system should provide basic browser functionalit
Microsoft got literally sued and almost dissolved as a company for that
But that’s cause it wasn’t FOSS, but instead a privately owned closed-source app
If an open standard was set, and agreed upon by most, then nobody would sue anyone
Heck, many Linux distros come with a browser preinstalled, but use a FOSS one to not hit that legal problem
Yeah, 1998 was definitely a time where Microsoft wasn’t going to do that. They were (and are) in embrace, extend, extinguish mode
If anything they’ve ramped up on the EEE mode
And what did we get for it? If you search “chrome install” in Edge it pulls a Janet, all like
that sounds like Tauri!
Linux and Mac use WebkitGTK, Windows uses Edge/Chromium, Android uses Chrome - as bundled in the respective OS, and you essentially have a frontend running on that webview communicating with a backend running locally via some special IPC protocol
Then that operating system gets hit with anti-trust
not if it’s a library
Yeah, not because they saw a way to develop for Win/Mac/Linux/Android/IOS all at the same time and went yeah, we’d take some of that.
Naw, They REALLY wanted to dip their toes in that 2013 extra 1% of traffic pool.
what a great way to create a set of echochambers with schizo worldviews
But once you read his words he’s got a foot in the door. Then he’s harder to ignore.
So maybe it’s harder to ignore fools on social media. Which would make social media a kind of fool-enhancer.
I guess this is where blocking comes in. But that seems drastic.
Blocking is severe, but boy is my feed clean of morons (I think I’ve only blocked like 30 people on Lemmy).
You gotta try it. Very satisfying to click ‘read all’ on your inbox now and then to clear out notifications for new (hidden) messages from trolls you’ve blocked.
Eithet ignorant or troling
I thought it was comendy 😅
Lame attempt at ragebait.
Okay, how does this dude explain native Linux apps?
Probably “Native Linux apps are made in Linux-only bullshit by useless neckbeards, and probably only run in the terminal. Real actual apps like Discord made by a for-profit corporation have to be made cross-platform.”
Aren’t Qt and GTK cross platform? I have Dolphin and Kate running on my Windows work laptop.
Yeah, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. There is a shitload of frontend developers that specialize in web standards and technologies. Electron was developed to take advantage of that deep pool of frontend developers. The side affect, is that other OSes can just support electron and they get the developers and the applications for free. Which has been a major boon for Linux users and those looking to escape Microsoft’s vendor lockin strategy. Today might be different, but in the past, nobody was intending to support Linux by creating electron apps. If they cared so much or it was so important, they would have been using Qt and GTK prior to Electron.
As is wxWidgets and others.
Dear god, I had to write wxWidgets/C++ for Win32 last year for work and it was horrific. Never again, back to modern web standards for me. The irony is that it was justified as being “cross platform” but we never got around to actually making it work on Linux. Makes no sense, it should have been an internal web app. (Admittedly, this was for law enforcement software and they seem to love windows.)
The real reason is it’s a pain in the ass to deploy software in Windows. It’s not like you can easily set up a server and put some packages on and have it just automatically apt update to that. Sure there’s some “Enterprise” servers you could set up (and pay license fees for) that might work somewhat like that, but it’s easier to just make it a web app and deploy to an internet webserver.
For product distribution, you need someone download an .exe, hope a virus scanner won’t block it, maybe pay microsoft to sign it or whatever, hope the user has a compatible version of windows, and maybe they can get some working software. But then you have to make some mechanism to handle updates and hopefully that doesn’t get blocked by some security software. So it’s easier to make your software a web application.
Also putting out windows native applications means you might not be able to enshittify it later since people could continue to use the old version forever. It’s weird to assume enshittification happens accidentally, but it’s actually what some companies want to do their software because $$$. They want applications they can enshitty later, they don’t make applications that may work on linux and whoopsie it just somehow got enshittified because of that… somehow.
But many times it’s just best solution. If an application doesn’t need access to anything on my system, I’d rather it be a web app. App does the thing I need, and when I’m done, I close the tab and we’re done. Why install more software on my system if I don’t need to?
Abstraction layers? In MY messy pile of spaghetti ass code!?
You wouldn’t understand it, it’s more of a messy pile of lasagna ass-code situation.
It’s more likely than you think.
