Atleast 20 of those are mine, I simply delete the ISO after flashing and ive absolutely flashed one singular USB 10 times with the same nvidia build, let alone other ones
I‘m one of them. I already only used Windows for gaming and seeing where this OS is going, made me try Linux again and this time might be the first time I might stick with it, thanks to Bazzite.
Games run incredibly well and compatibility is surprisingly good at this point. The only exception are games with invasive anti-cheat like the new Battlefield. But I guess it’s just a pro that I won’t buy a game that essentially has malware included with it.
Traffic cost must be insane. Hope they have good hosting and won’t be paying through the nose and go broke.
Should be manageable and it is probably less than you would imagine. Just checked real quick: the isos load from download.bazzite.gg, which is a Clohdflare IP. So they are either using it as CDN or even more likely use Cloudflares R2 storage.for isos - which would mean they pay for storage (~15$/TB) and operations, but not for egress. This is seems ideal for few but huge files.
So for a single iso (~7 GB) they would pay 0,105$ for storage monthly and additionally 0,36$ per class B operation (reads/downloads). Of course they host more than one ISO, but for this example it would have been downloaded about ~150000 times to reach the petabyte.
So yeah, the ISO download is probably less of a problem. (Disclaimer: lot of assumptions, check in with a bazzite dev for clarity)
Doesn’t $0.36 times 150,000 downloads come out to 54 thousand dollars, which is a lot of money?
Sorry, my bad. 0,36$ per million class b operations. Of course there will be slightly more operations than downloads (e.g. people/bots sarting downloads and aborting them), but still probably cheap.
yeah i mean for every 1 active user we have 1250 requests to download here. lots of bots. i dont know if they count upgrade pulls (each version is essentially a full iso that gets pulled to your computer), but if so that means with each update we’ll see even more data draw from all the users upgrading.
Also keep in mind cached requests don’t count so it’d be cheaper.
Can always stick it up as a torrent if its a concern too
Cloudflare would host it for effectively free
This whole thread had me wondering how much I’m costing them so I could at least pay my share. A quick search got me this page to donate. There’s some information about how they are using that money, but it doesn’t seem like they’ve spent much, and it makes me feel like they’ve got funding from somewhere else that covers their hosting costs.
Founder here, we have a sponsorship deal with Cloudflare that thankfully covers the vast majority of this. Our hosting costs right now for everything, including the GitHub runners, are $65, with the domain being another $100/yr.
The intention with the donations is to pay for those costs, travel for Linux conventions, and for us to have a fund for additional higher cost items like eventually doing proper secure boot support. At no point will myself or others be collecting a paycheck out of those funds, and I’ve been paying our bills for the last 3 years or so. I’m privileged to be able to do this as a hobby and not as a job.
Thank you for thinking about us! I appreciate the sentiment
I’m surprised they don’t have torrent downloads for it. That would save on bandwidth costs and it’s more reliable since torrent clients verify the checksum and automatically redownload any corrupted blocks.
I would seed…
Same, I have 100Mb up and only use a fraction of it.
This is amazing news. Hopefully they’re getting enough donations to cover this.
Eh costs likely basically nothing. They appear to use cloud flare CDN which has unlimited bandwidth.
So really all they’re doing is getting their money’s worth from their subscription. Lol
Meh, flavor of the month.
Installed this on my Legion Go recently, it’s amazing.
Thanks, Steve
I’m out of the loop here, what’s the context?
Gamer’s Nexus has heard a lot of interest in their community about gaming on linux. So they’ve been working with Wendell from Level1Techs to put together a Linux benchmarking workflow. They chose Bazzite for those efforts.
Gamer’s Nexus likes to make frequent use of a clip from an Intel presentation where one of the presenters says “Thanks Steve,” because the main personality on Gamers Nexus is Stephen Burke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovOx4_8ajZ8
Watch around 00:45 ☺️
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovOx4_8ajZ8&t=44s
There’s a link with the time appended.
I distrohop every now and then, but usually when I have a convincing argument for it. Anyone want to try to convince me to switch either of my computers (one on Tumbleweed and one on NixOS) to Bazzite?
its closest to nixos in functionality, but basically its just a very simple distro that doesnt require much work to maintain and comes with lots of useful premade scripts and configurations for gaming and making immutables easy to work with. if thats what youre looking for thats what its good for.
Can I setup docker containers on it?
podman works well, docker is a little finicky due to some systemd weirdness and the whole immutability of it all.
it mainly tries to get you to use distroboxes which are awesome. you can even install something in a distrobox and expose it to the host.
Are distroboxes, podman, and docker all names for the same type of program? I’ll have to start researching the ones you mentioned and see if it fits what I’m doing.
Distrobox is more like running an entire other Linux distro to run your program, so like before my laptop died completely I had Bazzite and needed to install something locally that was way easier to do in an Ubuntu Distrobox, any time I wanted to run that program I open up my distrobox and run it, felt very native and the app and its files were still in my normal home directory yet ran with dependencies and such I had in the distrobox only.
Definitely nifty but different from the goal of podman/docker imo
Oh thats cool, I can make use of that for sure. Thanks for the explanation!
they’re all containerization programs yes. I believe they differ in some minor details but thanks to the OCI standards a image built with docker will run in podman or vice versa.
distrobox is a little more feature rich for development, meant for exposing services and are interactive by default, vs dockers run and forget methodology.
Yes, but the beauty of it is that it plugs in Steam immediately. If you’re installing it on a machine that uses Steam and sometimes browses it is a one-stop shop.
I offloaded Windows 10 entirely, installed bazzite, and played Hollow Knight and the entire Dark Souls trilogy from the same installation on the same harddrive I’d had them on Windows. Didnt even need to reinstall.
To me that’s impressive. I only had a few crashes overall too.
You can with the developer oriented spin, bazzite-dx (I think the plan is to unify them). On base bazzite there is no docker but there is podman I believe.
I didnt know they had multiple versions of bazzite, thats good to know. Appreciate the advice!
If you’ve got actual work to do, don’t.
I’ve got Bazzite on my TV PC, and it’s pretty cromulent for that, but Flatpak alone doesn’t have everything I need to do actual work.
Does this count torrent downloads?
probably not
I kept breaking my fedora install so I went to bazzite that month lol
How is Bazzite for NVIDIA users?
At most you might have to switch to the closed driver image
I put it on my gaming desktop and ROG Xbix Ally X and love it. Works great. The Windows Rog Xbox Ally X portable experience sucks. Also I’m not missing the intrusive updates and AI junk jammed into absolutely every Microsoft product.
It’s been working perfectly for me with no tinkering.
It’s been flawless for me with similar performance (slightly better in some areas) than Windows.
I had such a good experience switching to bazzite (from arch btw) that I put Aurora on my wife’s Ryzen 2500u laptop when windows 10 was taken out to a nice farm.
That went well until she said her friend’s kids couldn’t play games anymore. I quickly and flawlessly rebased it to bazzite and set up games.
A few hiccups with lacking Microsoft Office and having to learn the alternatives was the only issue she has had but that only took a few days for her to get down.
I wish people stopped recommending Mint to Windows users
As someone who has gone from windows to mint, what is wrong with it? So far I have 0 issues and can run all the games I want. What am I missing out on?
It’s very stable, but outdated imo, especially its default desktop environnement. Kinda makes linux look like a weird old windows clone, while other desktops can be very modern and way prettier than Windows
I love cinnamon, now you kids get off my lawn
My Cheap, Cheerful, Chinese mini desktop is running the Fedora Cinnamon spin. Works great! And Cinnamon is the best Gnome experience in existence anymore.
Cinnamon is the second of five attempts to defuckulate Gnome that I’m aware of, and my personal favorite.
I love apt more than I love cinnamon, now scram!
I spent years running Ubuntu. I’ve typed ‘sudo apt-get install’ so many times I got carpel fingernail from doing it. ‘sudo dnf install’ is less typing and could have saved my fingernails. Now I use Kinonite and have all updates set to automatic and I very seldom even need to do anything at all.
Yes, I’m old, lazy, and can’t be bothered anymore. Why do you ask? ;)
I like bazzite-kde because it’s similar to windows. Gnome bothered me.
Booting Gnome for the first time is such a baffling experience. Then you discover extensions and it feels pretty good.
I don’t like that I’m beholden to extensions that may break after an update to get what I want out of it, but I still use it on my laptop cause it’s the best touchscreen experience I’ve had (after tweaks)
Why is Mint wasting their spot as the recommendation for Windows users? Is it simply no longer developed or are the devs set in their ways of the UI having to look like Windows7?
Also it’s getting confusing with Zorin and Bazzite and even Aurora which is a Bazzite desktop spinoff as a recommendation.
That’s fair, it’s not exactly popping off the screen on looks. It was the underlying functionality and ease of use that sold it to me. Tried KDE plasma which was prettier but just changing sound output was so complicated. I have 2 speakers but it listed 8-10 different outputs I’m sure I technically do somehow but I just want a drop-down
I don’t know. I use KDE on Debian on my desktop, but I have set up Linux Mint Cinnamon on family laptop and it runs and looks fine.
Absolutely nothing. If you’re vibin’ with Mint, 3 Huzzahs for you! If you get curious to try something else later, that’s great too!
It’s not the distro you use that matters in the story of Life, it’s the fact you use Linux that matters.
It suffers from the same problem all Debian/Ubuntu family distros suffer from.
Being horribly out of date. It’s a very slow moving family of distros. Which can be a good thing if your work load doesn’t involve new hardware and software along with a focus on stability and reliability. Since if things don’t update they can’t break.
This can result in support for hardware and software being upwards of two to three YEARS out of date. Which for gamers for example is unacceptable and causes issues more often then not.
It’s the why fedora or arch based distros are generally speaking the better option to suggest to people. Depending on their level of intelligence, education and willingness to learn.
Bazzite and cachyOS for example are both fantastic for gamers.
Fedora or endeavour for your run of the mill office PC.
There is a serious argument to be made that the mass adoption of bazzite and the general flavor of the month affection for immutable distros is very likely going to cause issues for loads of users down the road.
So bazzite being overly popular is somewhat concerning. Flavor of the month distros have a bad tendency to implode randomly.
This can result in support for hardware and software being upwards of two to three YEARS out of date. Which for gamers for example is unacceptable and causes issues more often then not.
I think your perspective might be a bit biased towards your own bubble here. People are still buying Nintendo Switch’s. People are still buying Steam Decks.
I am getting close to 600 games in my Steam Library, but only 2 were released this year. Both were Indie games (Fragrance Point and Tower Wizard).
Ram is costing hundreds of dollars. GPU’s are costing thousands. Desktop gaming, heck desktop ownership in general, has been falling off. If people are still on x86, they are more likely to be on laptops.
For the average person, the idea that you need your OS to be updated every couple of weeks so that you can check your email and play Minecraft with your kids is insane.
I feel like this might come down to more people building their own towers vs buying them outright, whereas those who wouldn’t be inclined to build their own PC are instead defaulting to laptops.
I’d be curious what it looked like during Covid, because a lot of non-PC gamers I knew all of a sudden were interested in building their own rigs.
Packages on Ubuntu was why I had to move. I had issues daily and each time I looked it was actually fixed but not available in the distro. It was especially amnoying for development where I had to manually compile newer versions. Snap being forced while being outdated as well was also part of it.
A big barrier to Linux adoption is lack of software, and immutable distros locking you out of the traditional package managers like APT or DNF or Pacman and limiting you to what is provided on Flatpak, I think might trip some folks.
So bazzite being overly popular is somewhat concerning. Flavor of the month distros have a bad tendency to implode randomly.
If it implodes you can just rebase to kinoite with a single command without needing to backup anything
If you have 0 issues and aren’t bored with it either, keep using it. It’s completely fine.
People often have various reasons for not using it. E.g they want more up-to-date packages so they go with a rolling release distro, or they want to use a different package manager, or they want an immutable distro. Mint is just a generalist distro that works fine for most people, but doesn’t excel at any particular thing. Same as Ubuntu LTS, but with a nicer UI and less commercialization, so I see it as a great alternative to Ubuntu LTS. Ubuntu non-LTS may be more up to date though.
There’s nothing wrong with Mint, it’s solid. If it works for you don’t stress about it
The only thing is that it’s based on Ubuntu LTS so it’s packages can be a bit old. Doesn’t really matter much unless you have very new hardware and need the hardware support. Then something Fedora based like Bazzite would be better.
For getting newer software you can use flatpak/Flathub.
Bazzite is also “immutable” which makes it harder to break on a system level, but also harder to tinker on a system level. Mint is a “normal” distribution in that regard. Mint does have Timeshift for taking system level snapshots, on the off chance that an update or your tinkering breaks something. Its worth checking that Timeshift is set up for automatic snapshots
mostly customizability and good support for new hardware
if you’re running a pc with no major components newer than ~2-3 years old then mint is fine
the idea that it’s “bad for gaming” is nonsense unless you’re running near-bleeding edge hardware or are exceptionally sweaty about eking out an additional couple of frames per secondMint is great! It taught me the basics of linux.
Meanwhile SteamOS bewildered me with no printing support
Why? me and SO have been on mint only for a year now and love it.
Couple other pcs have popos which is OK but a bit buggy for me
Because of outdated packages and UI, same for Pop OS, at least before Cosmic
Possibly for this reason, Mint is a great choice for “keep my PC going so I can get to the google and the email and the facebook without having to buy another $1000 machine.” Mint is my go-to to keep a Pre-TPM computer on the road.
I’m perfectly fine with Mint as a recommendation. It’s not what I would choose, but it does work for a large portion of people without issues.
I am very glad that I hardly ever see Manjaro recommended to new comers anymore though - that’s a curse/trap. There are so much better “Arch but easier” distros now that are rock solid.
Fedora Kinoite is, probably, the best recommendation.
Why though? I don’t like it personally but it’s my #1 recommendation usually. (can’t recommend slackware to noobs)
If they have issues they’re gonna ask me for tech support, and I don’t know how to use immutable distros (lol)
I recently got a mini PC for couch gaming / HTPC functionality, and I installed Mint without ever booting Windows. I’ve been using Mint for a while after years of distro hopping, but I’m having issues with Bluetooth XBox controllers randomly disconnecting. Maybe this is the excuse I’ve been looking for to try Bazzite, although I might just need to get a USB dongle with a chipset known to work on Linux. What I’m really waiting for is an immutable distro with Plasma Bigscreen.
I also have Bluetooth issues on mint but I just ignore it ha. Its annoying though
Yes, but Plasma BigScreen is far from moving fast
mint aint that bad
besides all its desktops not supporting Wayland (ig X11 is better for beginners??)Not really. Beginners don’t know the difference.
Yes… ha ha ha… YES!
(i dont even use bazzite but love that for them)
Mostly all thanks to Gamers Nexus, I’d wager.
Also thanks to windows for continuing to double down on being dogshit
That contributed to all Linux. Gamers Nexus exclusively using Bazite for their Linux game testing is giving them specifically, a big bump.
