How is “wait 24 hours before installing an app” Android less corporate/authoritarian than Windows? Plus most Android devices are stuck running Android whereas you can always replace Windows with Linux
I think they meant the AOSP but technically most people also call that Android
AOSP, the operating system that nobody actually installs on anything. It’s about as niche as could possibly be, considering the only reason you’d install it is to work on the code.
For aesthetic reasons the chart only allows one OS per square, and any other arrangement would put Windows dangerously low. At least Android is mostly open-source.
Android is not mostly open source. Have you seen how incredibly limited AOSP is? It’s basically useless without all of the closed source parts Google puts on top.
There’s two squares for windows.
Right? No other OS gets two versions included.
That top left hand corner could be filled with a selection of these: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
I would not really expect it at the top. It may fit the definition of authoritarian in some ways but I almost certainly wouldn’t expect it to be corporate.
Android is surveillance capitalism embodied
“Some people don’t like snap”. I had the suspicion is was most people don’t like snap.
I’m yet to find a person who likes Snap, actually. Even if you prefer that way of installation, people just go to Flatpak.
I am a person who likes the snap package over some flatpaks. Mostly because the snap integration is sometimes better. Like handling copy/paste or notification bubbles.
No one significant; just security people, system architects, build/release people and support people, because of all the best-practice it breaks. Who cares about those chumps?!?
*most end users.
Better?
What about people who turned to w10 ltc as a compromise and to avoid w11?
I’d probably put that in the same row as W10, but in the box left of RHEL.
This is a much better version than the last one.
Needs TempleOS outside of the box
Isn’t that it in the bottom left?
TempleOS is outside of the box
Where does Bazzite fit into this? (Sincerely, someone who wants to switch to either Bazzite or CachyOS and can’t decide between them)
check out Nobara if you’re looking for a gaming distro, based on Fedora and managed by the guy who makes Proton-GE
just a heads up for people, the guy, GE, lives in Colorado. He is prepared to follow whatever fedora chooses to do in response to age verification laws. I don’t blame him, but since I have been using Nobara for years, I will switch to something else if age verification comes to Nobara.
wedged in between cachy and fedora I would say
There’s an argument that it would be between Fedora and Ubuntu, since being immutable makes it more locked down and you are beholden to the devs to push out important updates like drivers. Then again it is basicallt customized Fedora Atomic so if we’re counting “Fedora” as an average of all Fedora versions, maybe not
I see this misconception all the time about Fedora Atomic distros. You can actually install any normal package available through the included repos, or add your own repo (
rpm-ostree install $pkg). DNF can be used to add a repo from a URL and then you just userpm-ostree install $pkg. It is really that simple.The reason you aren’t supposed to is that it makes the system diverge from the default image by overlaying the package. Still though, Fedora Atomic is just Fedora but container images for updates.
Interesting, are their really no other major differences than the container images? Have you ran into any additional hurdles with the atomic experience? You may have convinced me to try Bazzite or SecureBlue.
I personally adhere to the idea of avoiding installing too many overlayed packages. Most i have installed in like five (with dependencies) at once. If you are comfortable with still using mostly Flatpaks and (only) a few overlayed packages, then Atomic may still be for you.
I really do recommend Secureblue.
That would include not installing Nvidia drivers though, no?
Yes, just get the Nvidia version of Secureblue/Bazzite and you are good.
“Open source unlike iOS”
Lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU
https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/distribution-macOS
AOSP hasn’t been a complete operating system in a long time, so don’t tell me Android is open source. It’s open source in the same way iOS is, the way that doesn’t matter.
To be fair though, you can build a more open android distribution like Graphene or Lineage, which you can’t do with iOS. Still an awful platform though
Come back when they have user flash-able, daily drivable forks.
Lol.
How the fuck did you manage to place Microsoft on a lower tier, Corporate-wise? They took the uber-corporatism that IBM had done and perfected it.
And if anything, Apple has been opening up for less corporatist approaches (okay, they’re legally forced, but at least they’re playing ball instead of forceful resistance).
at least they’re playing ball instead of forceful resistance
Uh what the fuck? In every case they’ve gotten better at all a law has absolutely been required to force them. But typically they don’t get better because typically with every new law they comply as maliciously as humanly possible.
You completely misunderstood what I said.
Yes, laws were required to make Apple do the logical thing. BUT the point is that instead of fighting those laws, Apple is actually implementing the required changes.
Meanwhile Google didn’t just remove the “don’t be evil” slogan, they’re actively enshittifying Android year on year. Is that the example you want Apple to follow?
But malicious compliance is absolutely fighting the laws. Plenty of legal ways to be shitty. Turns out I understood you perfectly because you’ve just stated the exact point again which I specifically was disagreeing with. That apple is not fighting the laws. Even if we ignore the malicious compliance you can be sure they’ve spend hundreds of billions over the years trying to stop laws or enforcement of laws that protect apple customers from apple. (No one is saying Google isn’t doing all of this too btw)
Is that the example you want Apple to follow?
I gotta say you don’t seem the most informed on this topic. Are you not aware that nearly every issue people have with Google, outside of ad/privacy concerns, is something they copied from apple? Removal of ports, reducing repairability, etc. Also right now Google is effectively looking to kill third party app stores. Which apple did from the start. In fact when the EU passed a law requiring apple to allow third party app stores, they complied maliciously as fuck. They made it so expensive to do so that no developer could publish an app outside the apple store without literally losing money even if the app was free, they still owe a steep fee, every year iirc.
Yeah and MacOS is not more locked down than ChromeOS. That shit is useless. At least you can mess with Unix and terminal commands on Macs
Also you can install it in hackintoshes but that’s not an official thing so I don’t fault that point.
For top left I’d like to humbly nominate SCO Unix.
Ah yes Ubuntu, basically the same as windows.
I feel like BSDs being more over in the corpo-lib corner would make more sense just from a licensing perspective
If you’re memeing, hard to omit Red Star OS
Isn’t that Red Star way over there in the top left corner?
I vote gLinux for the top left corner. Specifically made for in house work at Google, not officially available anywhere else. Or something similar.
Auth/lib is very cringe 🫠
Poor SLES not being on the board with Redhat, and ubuntu.
