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A thread of the posts by @cait.bsky.social. They read as follows:
I had my first talk therapy session with my new therapist and she hit me with the “you’re very self-aware” ☹️
not the “pleasure to have in class” of therapy
that’s right, I know all the tools and have developed countertools so they no longer work. welcome to thunderdome
wait what? isnt… being self-aware a good thing?.. pleasure to have in class? i have got to beissing something here.
As a psychotherapist, working with people who are self-aware is a pleasure. I wouldn’t ever say that to someone if not meant as a genuine compliment.
Although I believe not many of our patients actually are as self aware as they think. I think we as humans often are good in introspection where it’s easy and comfortable to do so, while glaring over pretty blatant cognitive errors in some other parts, and this is usually where problems arise and disorders develop. And interestingly some people seem to think of themselves as someone who’s perfectly introspective but just for some external, unchangeable factor immune to any kind of positive change. Maybe they could feel irritated about the compliment, because in their minds it reinfoces their idea of being helpless against their problems (in the sense of: I already know everything, it’s just not possible to change anything or I would’ve already done that)? I could imagine that’s how I would feel, but of course it’s just a guess.
Self-awareness is a good thing, but it’s also the bottom of the barrel when fishing for compliments. In therapy, specifically, the implied sentiment is, “Well, at least you know how fucked up you are.”
She’s making the comparison to the “pleasure to have in class” line, because it’s similar. If a teacher genuinely has good things to say about a student, it’s probably going to be more specific (i.e. – they were inquisitive, a quick study, made their peers laugh, etc). “Pleasure to have in class,” by contrast, is a generic compliment that doesn’t really say anything.
EDIT: Okay, so based on a few of the latest responses, I felt that I should clarify something. I don’t think people who use these phrases intend for them to be insults or demeaning in any way—this includes Cait’s therapist in the original post. It’s just that it can be perceived that way, which is what I think the post was making fun of.
If you’re also an introspective, self-critical person, please don’t take someone saying this to you as an affirmation of your faults. It’s almost certainly an innocuous and genuine observation.
I can see that you have good intentions…
Really, though, there is no bottom of the barrel. Self-awareness is something that some people in therapy genuinely lack. Good intentions are something that some people genuinely lack. Kindness is something that someone people genuinely lack. Being capable of being unobtrusive for others is something some people genuinely lack.
These are not the bottom of the barrel, but solid foundations you can build from. Someone with good self-awareness can give constructive feedback both in session and irl. Someone with good intentions will actually try to improve rather than use therapy as a place to vent. Someone who is kind will use the skills and motivation they gain in therapy to build a nice community for themselves because it is reciprocal.
Imagine OOP except without self-awareness. Their subconscious has developed countertools that make therapy ineffective but they are not able to describe those countertools or even know their functioning. All they can say is that the therapy doesn’t work. That sucks so much worse than the situation OOP is actually in.
Ever since I played Control I only read that as Object Of Power
it stands for Object Oriented Programming, actually
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Oh my god I literally just now got why my therapist kept saying that. I hate people do this and then expect me to get it. Especially therapists they should know better. If you try to sugarcoat it I won’t get it almost guaranteed. Fucks sake what a waste of a time she was. Should have known something was up with how defensive about Israel she was…
I don’t the only that’s necessarily what your therapist was getting at.
I’m not defending her stance on Israel btw. Also her stance on Israel might imply religious beliefs and that’s a whole other conversation.
However, I disagree with the commenter that said self-awareness is a good thing.
If you want to go through life empowering others, avoiding doing any harm of any kind, and leaving the world somehow better for your existence, then yes self awareness is a good thing.
However, if you want to be happy, satisfied, and go through life being comfortable and not require therapy, then self awareness is most definitely not a good thing.
That is to say, self awareness is highly correlated with anxiety and depression.
Curse you, autistic introspection!
I don’t think your therapists necessarily meant it in an insulting way.
Oh. Yeah, time for a new therapist, then. Can’t expect healthcare professionals to share all of your political beliefs, but not simping for genocidal ethnostates is a pretty low bar.
Oh this was years ago I wasn’t good at saying no to people and standing up for myself. Also kept believing what others said over what I thought since my memory is bad and I zone out a lot.
I can’t handle the idea of paying someone like that even a single time, I’d feel so ripped off and violated.
It can be, though quite often anxiety can manifest as being too self-aware all the time, to the point that it’s getting in the way of actually enjoying life.
aaaaah yes fair i can see that, sounds a smol bit like me but bit more negative… good to know.
It’s also worth pointing out, I think, that if you’re only aware of your weaknesses and such, but don’t/can’t recognize your strengths, then you’re not really that self-aware
I feel that’s kind of getting into gate-keeping territory. Self-awareness imo just requires a person to be aware of themself, and whether that person is self-critical or self-appreciating is a different analysis of that awareness.
I’d argue self-appreciation and self-deprication can both get in the way of self-awareness. Someone experiencing clinically significant grandiosity is likely lacking in self awareness just as someone experiencing clinically significant negative self talk (i.e., cognitive distortion) is likely lacking in self awareness
This seems to come down to a difference in definition. You are viewing self-awareness as only able to be positive, and having an implied lack of bias.
I don’t expect either of those, I just view it as someone thinking about how they think or act, regardless of whether bias exists in that process. It’s all self-awareness.
I am not at all viewing it as only able to be positive; it should be accurate. Why call it awareness if it’s not reflecting reality?
That’s not self awareness, that’s meta cognition
Metacognition is a sub-portion of self-awareness that does not look at behavior. They’re intrinsically tied to one another, but self-awareness is broader than metacognition.
I’m not saying either of our definitions are incorrect - ‘self-awareness’ changes meaning somewhat depending on whether it’s being used philosophically, psychoanalitically, etc. And the fact it’s now used by the general public its meaning naturally shifts. I am saying your definition is more exclusionary, though, treating it more as a virtue to strive for rather than just an action one takes.
Functionally, if the only self-awareness is accurate self-awareness, then it can only be an advantage, and thus positive.
I would also argue that awareness does not need to be reflective of reality - you can be aware of hallucinations you are experiencing, or you can be aware that you are experiencing hallucinations. Both are awareness, but only one is more accurate to reality.
That’s fair, I glossed over the “act” part of your statement
Also fair, but the context here is it being used as a compliment from a therapist
Ah I see, I misunderstood what you meant by positive; I thought you were referring to the bit about being aware of your strengths.
I do think exclusively accurate self-awareness can absolutely be a disadvantage though.
Mm- I think I agree semantically, like technically it can mean that, but it’s pretty confusing. Consider how the session note looks when written each way:
Client reported experiencing auditory perception in the absence of external stimuli.vs
Client reported awareness of auditory perception in the absence of external stimuliThe latter, to me, sounds self contradictory