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Made this comment on the hexbear post but I will put it here too because of my hatred for Sir Glubb
I have an unreasonable dislike for sir Glubb. His conclusion is just wrong and based on horrible data. It bothers me that his opinion has lasted this long in the public consciousness
I mean look at this shit bruh
I’d be embarassed to have made this. What made him choose these dates? Wdym the Ottoman empire only lasted 250 years??? Yes, the Roman empire totally ended in 180 A.D. nothing happened after that don’t worry about it haha. Don’t even look at China, doesn’t matter, nothing is going on there. Like??? I hate him
America is coming to its end as an empire but it’s not because it reached some arbitrary date set by a Brit trying to rationalize the fall of his empire in a way that absolves its people of any fault.
Byzantium? I hardly know 'um!
The Roman Empire absolutely ended in 180 CE though, that’s when Marcus Aurelius died and ended the divine right of the Caesars to rule, a claim just as plausible as Glubb’s
The death of the last competent emporer is not the death of the empire itself. I personally wouldn’t put a hard date on the end of the western roman empire as I don’t think of myself a competent Roman historian but I refuse to consider it earlier than 395.
America hasn’t competent leadership for a while but its empire is still very much alive.
Edit: not sure I understood what you meant by the last part of your comment so I apologize if I misinterpreted something and my response feels out of place
Empire =/= civilization
Also country and empire are different.
Hexbear crosspost; stat is also questionable (apples to oranges, small sample size).
For better and for worse, that “statistic” is pure nonsense. Some guy basically just made it up and sort of tried to make the historical data look like it fits, but if you look into it it’s going to give you a headache.
Also super dumb to assert “after x years, it always dies!”
Like ya, everything already dies eventually. Imagine writing “every human who lived past 70 ALWAYS DIES!!!”
Shut up, let us hope in peace
The question misses some history. Of all global powers only the USSR has been erased since the advent of democracy. And it can be argued that the disappearance of the Soviets is their lack of democracy. Having the state reside with the People has an incredible sustaining power. For example, France has survived as a nation through several governments. Germany and Italy have been through some wild times and they still exist as nations.
Trump and MAGA might bring about a revolution but America will continue.
I am confused by what you are saying. There have been several global powers that have come and gone since the 6th century, the Ottoman Empire for instance.
Yet Turkiye remains. I am saying the government is not the nation. That means that no matter what happens, America will remain.
Right but so does Russia so I’m not sure why you brought up the USSR.
The USSR was so much more than just Russia. That legacy is part of why Russia is invading Ukraine. Again.
…and the Ottoman Empire was more than just Turkey. At one point it spanned from the borders of Italy all the way around the Mediterranean to modern day Algeria.
By your logic then America won’t survive because like the Soviet Union it’s just a federal system of constituent parts that are highly unlikely to participate in a mass government together again.
calling it “turkiye” makes me question your motives
… Is that not the name of the country? Every source I can find online seems to indicate that’s the preferred nomenclature now. Or does this have some problematic connotation that google isn’t showing me?
It’s actually supposed to be Türkiye, due to Turkey’s request to be called like that in English by international entities: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61671913
I neither know why ordinary people would call it like that, since Turkey is still practically the usual name (more recognisable, easier to write and pronounce), nor why calling it Türkiye anyway would be suspicious.
I just assumed they couldn’t type the u with umlauts but wanted to use the current name; and I just really want to know why that other guy thinks that confers “questionable motives”.
Tbh, that kinda does make more sense… still a weird complaint though.
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