• MrSulu@lemmy.ml
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    1 hour ago

    Made me chuckle. My journey started as Windows to Ubuntu and liked it. Tried Arch, fled back to Ubuntu. Hid there a long time.

  • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
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    3 hours ago

    I can use most any operating system. I can even enjoy most of them. Understand the “why” of it and even Apple has amazing answers to “we solved X by doing Y.”

    Then there’s windows. It does things differently than everyone else, which does have merit in theory. But if you have had decades to prove your point and still haven’t….maybe you’re just fucking wrong.

    • 1984@lemmy.today
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      1 hour ago

      Not for a newbie who wants to learn. Arch is actually not difficult at all, just time consuming. If you do a manual install, you have to read about every step and make choices.

      Thats how you learn your system. After install, you know exactly what files you modified and where they are if you want to make further changes.

      I think it’s a beautiful system. Its not for people who just want a windows replacement though. It’s for people who wants to know their system.

      People don’t realize the power that comes from actually knowing how your system works. It’s the same as learning any skill. It gives a feeling of confidence and comfort.

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      2 hours ago

      Mint and Zorin have been flawless for me.

      Installing Mint on my laptop actually fixed a longstanding issue with the speakers. They were working fine for ages on Wibdows, then some reason they just stopped working. Windows could not detect any speakers. It was to a point that I assumed hardware failure, and opened the laptop and traced the audio output to identify a blown sm cap or something, then gave up. It wasn’t until I installed Mint and it made a startup noise that I was like “wtf” because I thought it would never speak again. Turns out windows was just borked.

      Installing Zorin on an old thinkcentre desktop just worked perfectly, despite my deep suspicion. I got it set up to meet my workflow perfectly in less time than I would have spent reinstalling windows and getting it dialed in just the way I like.

      Is Arch “better”? Maybe, to some people. Could I make it work? It’s possible? Instead of tweaking arch to meet my requirements, could I rather spend my free time gardening or patting the cat? Absolutely.

  • Pika@sh.itjust.works
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    7 hours ago

    I agree with 1,2 and 3 but I don’t really understand the remaining 2,

    I’ve never across the 6 systems I’ve had, had windows brick an install to the point it no longer can restore/recover itself without me doing something really wrong (usually something stupid on the Linux partition). it’s way of handling updates and upgrades is actually something I miss on my current system, with windows if it failed the update it rolled itself back, on Debian I gotta roll a snapshot,which isn’t hard but takes longer and is manual.

    I’ve also never had an issue with the UI not looking uniform, or at least anything worse than anything not Apple.

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      2 hours ago

      I once accidentally bricked a windows install by replacing the system font with another font, while calling it the same. The system crashed on boot, and apparently the recovery menu also uses the same file, because it instantly crashed too. Had to do a complete reinstall of that one…

      On the UI not being uniform, you may not have noticed, but it’s awful. They’ve fixed some stuff, but there was a point with win11 when 40% of the apps were light theme when you had dark theme. Even to this day, you have a complete mix of icons from different generations of windows in different menus (hell, there are still win95 icons in some places, and you can still set them up as folder icons). Some apps, despite rendering with the modern w11 style, clearly have the structure from decades ago (in fact, to this day, you can find menus from windows 3.11 in windows 11, and it also comes with the dialer app hidden in System32). Context menus are also another incredibly inconsistent thing, and for the longest time, win11 had 3 types of context menu styles that were used seemingly at random (some of the context menus also rendered in light mode even when the system-wide dark mode was enabled)

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        I get the feeling Microsoft often starts modernization projects and abandons them halfway through. That’s why we still have the modern and the classic control panel. Even their web apps have this problem - there is an old version of the Exchange administration panel and a new one. And it’s been like that for a decade.

        They’re just piling new junk on top of old junk and it shows.

  • Demdaru@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    I am lookimg at the comments and laughing. I have a low end pc, with nvidia and intel. Ya all behave as if linux was some peak of programming…and heck, maybe it is, dunno.

    But installing Windows 10 vs CachyOS/Mint/Nobara took similiar time. Speed is the same, explorers too. On Cachy and Mint, compatibility was also the same (Nobara did not like my hardware). All in all, both Linux and Windows were fast and reliable (except Nobara, again, hardware issues).

    Yet ya all grab edge cases and try to make it appear as it’s normal xD And this applies to both linux and windows folk, altho I do admit there a lot more linux folk here. But both sides grasp at edge case problems and pretend it’s norm lol xD

    From noob PoV, Cachy = Mint = Windows 10 usability wise. I’d switch to Cachy if not for the fact only Windows can squeeze last drops of my hardware juice T-T (I love Plasma desktop, even if wallet pisses me off)

  • mlg@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    #2 gave it away because you’d have to royally screw something up in Arch to get KDE to lag like that lol.

    It might be minimalist but it’s not unperformant out of box.

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      10 hours ago

      The only time i had issues with KDE when i was using a PC with 384 MB RAM (plasma 4)

      I wouldnt blame that on kde

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    11 hours ago

    I’m sitting here reading these comments as the low-end Dell laptop I just picked up for software testing is booting up and updating Windows. For logistic reasons, had to pick one up today, so had the pleasure of dealing with Best Buy sales staff 🙄

    From powering it up, it’s been 1.5 hours with updates and multiple restarts. Half of it was spent showing a progress indicator with a carousel slideshow of all the great AI tools I have no interest in using. Then it insisted on signing in with a Microsoft cloud account.

    It’s been eons since I actually ran a fresh copy of Windows. Amazed people still put up with all this nonsense.

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      10 hours ago

      Seriously, dealing with Windows OOBE is like walking through a used car lot.

      “Decline offer” “Decline offer” “Not right now” <hey, we need to update! See you in 30 minutes!> “Remind me in three days” “Turn off cloud backup” “Yes, I’m really sure” “Decline offer” “Share minimum telemetry” (oh, you thought you could turn that off? Lol. Lmao, even)

      I don’t know how anyone finds that mess easier than linux.

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        It’s not easier than Windows, it’s the devil you know.

        Sure it’s slow, but you know how slow. It does updates at the wrong time, but you know it will turn on again eventually. It sends all your data to Microsoft, but no-one has come to your door to harass you because what’s in your data.

        Linux is some obscure thing that would take time and effort to learn, and you’re tired from work and just want to use a computer without thinking about it.

        Things might be different if Windows wasn’t the default/only option when buying a new laptop.

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      10 hours ago

      The best buy sales staff are interesting because they practically make you beg for the thing you already had your mind made up about when you walked in the store.

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    11 hours ago

    I love this copypasta, I love my linux, I hate my windows. But let’s be honest with ourselves for a second and completely ignore the punchline of this meme.

    Those ARE valid criticisms of linux distros. Arch is not for casuals so you should be aware what you’re getting into before stepping in, however your everyday-consumer-facing distros like Mint are still far from providing a fully comfortable day to day experience.

    Again, I love my Mint, I’m never going back to windows, I’m a technical person and I had to use AI to help me run my nonograms game without it injecting cocaine into my CPU.

  • aSaabD00d@lemmy.today
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    12 hours ago

    Haha, definitely had me. I’m still new to linux and so far bazzite kde has been great. Very few issues, small learning curve. Hard to mess anything up too bad.

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    12 hours ago

    I’m a basic Linux Mint/ZorinOS guy–I sometimes switch between the two–and even I know that it’s dumb to install Arch unless you’re REALLY good with computers.

  • Ann Archy@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    Ngl file explorers on Linux suck some massive ass unless you use like Krusader or ranger or terminal based stuff. Dolphin, Caja, nemo, Thunar, Nautilus, all of them are so fucking convoluted that it feels like they are consciously designed to do the things you least expect and in the most roundabout way at all times.