For me it was Mrs. Doubtfire. Fucking hot
Are you a bus driver now?
okay but are those jorts underneath the dress?
I get wearing some shorts underneath for safety, believe me. I remember being a smol femboy insecure about my body and posture. but jorts? jorts‽
This is what can be achieved when you leave fear behind
No, those are jeans cut into shorts
Terrible news champ, when you cut jeans into shorts length you create jorts.
you could not imagine how hard my fingers were crossed while the link was loading, love this guy’s videos
‽ being used in this economy
(i dont mean to offend you just really surprised seeing someone use one)
hang out on this godforsaken site for long enough and you’ll see some users still trying to make þ happen.
What about Æ?
There’s definitely some Æon Flux fans lurking around here.
Estrogen would’ve saved her 😞
What else can I say?
Everyone is gay 🎵🎶
Before I came out as transfemme, I was in the city of Manaus in Brazil, traveling during Carnaval. Manaus is not terribly popular with foreigners, and I stood out as very white, very American, and very blonde, so lots of people would stare, want to talk with me, randomly touch my long hair, etc. All normal travel things.
During a concert however three guys were actively watching and inspecting me, all turned away from the stage to do so. They’d turn to talk to each other, and then turn right back to stare at me. Not so normal, and I was getting a little spooked and thinking about an exit plan, when they all came right up to me with a phone out.
One shouted over the crowd as he showed me his phone, “This you?!” and showed me a picture of Kurt Cobain. Hilarious, and seeing Kurt in a dress of course is even funnier now in hindsight. I said no, pointed out that he was dead, shook a couple hands, and they wandered off. Fun times.
Nice try, Kurt.
hah ! too cool
here’s the picture that i saw when i was 11 that made me binary:
Fake news. Minimalism did not yet exist back then.
Minimalism was a forced choice at the time
Ah, it’s an IBM PS/2!
You’re gonna love the band Grouplove
kurt cobain and brian molko were my idols 💜
More men should wear skirts and dresses. With right style even masculine men can look good with such clothes.
And long hair. Long hair is so beautiful and sexy that everyone should grow long hair despite of the gender.
Long hair is nice on young people. I was nice with long hair, I looked like Jean Michel Jarre on his Equinoxe album.
Make that hair gray.
Ugh.
As a bald man… Fuck your long hair encouragement! (Out of spite, and envy)
I run in circles where dudes semiregularly wear kilts.
I’ve sat in a circle with other dudes where they were comparing brands of utility kilts. Lol
There are folks out there that wear them. It’s just not super fashionable in a lot of circles. Unfortunately.
I run in circles
i remember reading that in the medieval age, most noble men had long hair because it was a sign of wealth and such
Fortunately for you, Scotland exists
FREEEDOOOOM!!
… for gender expression
everyone should […]
Is also where everything goes down the drain and social pressure starts to crush people.
My younger me would’ve stated that everyone should wear hoodies, jeans and short hair.
I get what are you trying to tell, but when i talked about everyone getting long hair, i mostly meant men, and how they should be more open to it. Its fine if people want to have long or short hair, but for men specifically, long hair is considered gay in my country, which is unfortunally homophobic, and ive heard stories about boys being bullied and even beaten in schools just because of long hair.
So it turns out kind of opposite. Men are socially pressured into having short hair, and generally “not being gay” in homophobic way.
Yeah, it’s really just about that exact wording and not accidentally ending up with dictating the opposite of what is the current issue. Every style should be allowed. I’m not very hopeful we actually could get there some day.
My nephew gets excluded from the boys toilet by schoolmates because he has long hair 🤦
There’s a man’s skirt sitting in my Etsy favorites for so long. It’s scary to pioneer something like this but it’s so tempting at the same time.
Do it do it do it do it do it do it
I think you should do it
Buy it and start small! Debut it for friends indoors, get the validation and confidence and slowly start working your way up to wearing it outdoors :3
friends? 😿
And long hair. Long hair is so beautiful and sexy that everyone should grow long hair despite of the gender.
100%, long hair for all!
Sad bad genetics noises :(
I’ve thought about it sometimes, But when my hair starts to reach about 4-5 cm in length, i start getting itchy, sweaty, hair gets fatty and i start shedding scales like crazy…
i think that’s a phase. my hair got fatty when it was 4-5 cm long as well, but that stopped somehow when it got even longer. i guess the body just takes some time to adapt or sth.
Do you guys not know what oil is or are you bots?
Don’t be so rude. Lots of people ignore lots of things! We’re all learning.
Refrain from washing your hair everyday
Do some research about your hair and scalp type and what products they need in order to thrive. For me that was the key to better quality hair and no more irritated scalp :))
*I don’t know why the downvote? This is long hair on some people. My hair grows up, not down. Less perm, but I joke I’d look like Bob Ross. More similar is Seth Rogan, Jeff Goldblum (pre-jurassic era)… or like a hobbit.
The neck snap at the end perfectly sums up how horrifying this is
So it was that darn mtv after all…
I wish she had gotten the support she needed :c
Underrated comment. Kurt was very probably trans.
That implies one can be un-made from non-binary or made straight or made gay. Is this true?
I think it means Kurt Cobain was so obviously and genuinely gender/identity queer at a time when there wasn’t a popular conception of such a thing that people who were also queer saw Kurt and realized that, at the very least, being a boy or girl, man or woman, doesn’t need to be this one thing, which is socially reinforced in the negative.
Kurt expressed something we didn’t have words for as young people in the early 90s. But as you dug deeper, it was all in Kurt’s music, from the very beginning. It was drastically different from depictions of “transvestites” we had grown up with. And it was not just a token identification with conflicting gender identities, but deep grappling with all these inner thoughts, experience, worry, frustration, love. And everybody loved it. Through Nirvana’s music, I think you could feel accepted for being queer, because Kurt’s music was deeply resonant with many queer people’s experience, and it was hugely popular and culturally prominent.
And there’s Kurt with dirty long hair in a dress, beautiful blue eyes, looks like about to tell someone "fuck you* and bash someone over the head with his cheap Japanese Mustang, which Kurt was known to do. The coolest rockstar on the planet, in a thriftstore dress.
So maybe op meant something like, “I identified my own queerness when I saw Kurt’s”. But all this is made up just someone alive and infatuated with Nirvana at the time.
This is written in the booklet of Incesticide:
At this point I have a request for our fans. If any of you in any way hate homosexuals, people of different color, or women, please do this one favor for us - leave us the fuck alone! Don’t come to our shows and don’t buy our records.
Scientists have not found that pic yet.
Honestly, I think if she were still around, things would be different for her.
Normalize men wearing skirts
??? please dont egg dead people, egging is rude to begin with. he never said he’s trans, and never wanted people to analyze his psychology, so listen to his wishes
Imagine you had an AMAB friend who gave you really eggy vibes, and one day you decided to start referring to them as “she”. Your friend hasn’t come out, hasn’t even said anything to you in private, but you insist on using she/her pronouns for them everywhere, to everyone they know, against their wishes. That would be pretty fucking gross right?
I actually agree completely that Kurt was very likely trans. But I don’t think it’s cool to loudly and publicly misgender people, no matter the intent.
It doesn’t matter how much evidence you gather; we can’t say that a dead person who never came out was trans. It sucks and it’s a tragedy how things panned out, but if there’s one thing he didn’t like in life, it was people trying to analyze his psychology. No matter how well intentioned, it’s just us applying our own worldview to things we can never get definitive answers to.
That’s actually really gross and an erasure of trans people from history. There are a lot of cases now and throughout history of trans people unable to come out but have personal records or accounts from those close to them detailing how they felt about themselves. Saying we shouldn’t suggest anyone who was never out was trans isn’t just taking an unbiased stance, trans people are deliberately and systemically pressured from not coming out and there’s cases of trans people who were out who have their identities erased postmortem. So contributing to that feels at best like giving up ground to people who want us dead and erased.
It’s a different story if we do that firsthand accounts that more definitively indicate how that self identified, but from what I know about Kurt Cobain, he was just very eggy and queer coded. It’s entirely possible Kurt was trans, but the reason we can’t know for sure is because he never found out, not because his identity was erased.
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But neither can we say definitively she was cis. Kurt has gone on the record stating that she always associated more with femininity, there is an early draft of “All Apologies” with the line “let me grow some breasts”, etc.
Assuming that the natural and “neutral” state for historical figures is to be cis is due to societal cis-heteronormativity. Yes, it’s true that she never came out or went on the record saying she’s trans. But she also never called herself cis. Public awareness of trans identity was much, much worse even thirty years ago. So she might just not have gotten the chance. And due to that, we can never ask her.
It’s okay if not everyone agrees with this analysis of her identity through a modern lens. If people think she was cis, or a genderqueer man, we can also never refute that. But I, as well as many other trans women, think that for her the signs are quite obvious. And there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
The same is true for a number of other figures, btw. Ted Kaczynski was likely a trans woman and abused by her psychiatrist:
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For a period of several weeks in 1966, Kaczynski experienced intense sexual fantasies of being female and decided to undergo gender transition. He arranged to meet with a psychiatrist but changed his mind in the waiting room and discussed other things instead, without disclosing his original reason for making the appointment. Afterward, enraged, he considered killing the psychiatrist and other people whom he hated. Kaczynski described this episode as a “major turning point” in his life.[31][32][33] He recalled: “I felt disgusted about what my uncontrolled sexual cravings had almost led me to do. And I felt humiliated, and I violently hated the psychiatrist. Just then there came a major turning point in my life. Like a Phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope.”
I refuse to call a person pronouns they haven’t publicly identified with. I apply this practice to everybody whether they’re celebrities or people I know irl; whether they’re alive or dead. Not doing so is simply misgendering, which is disrespectful and harmful even if you are proven correct. It doesn’t matter if I buy into a theory about someone’s identity or not, I can’t decide another person’s gender.
We can’t definitively say Cobain was cis, and it’s really fucking sad that the person themselves can never fully answer that question. We only have the information that currently exists, and it’s not enough to say for sure. For all we know, Kurt would’ve rejected binary pronouns entirely; it’s just not our place to say.
I must be missing something – what was the abuse?
reading between the lines:
She went to the psychiatrist with severe gender dysphoria looking to get healthcare, and left feeling humiliated, ashamed of her ‘depraved’ feelings and full of hate for the psychiatrist. We will never know what exactly happened or what they talked about, but this sounds like she’s a victim of conversion therapy.
The only accounts we have are unreliable, by herself long after the fact. I’d be interested if anyone has the original source, tho, instead of Wikipedia
I guess we will never know. For me reading between the lines of that summary, Ted didn’t talk about it at all, so I would have no reason to assume the psychiatrist thought about conversion therapy.
It sounds like he (she?) was angry at himself and the whole situation, and everyone involved including all of society…
For the record, if I died before I came out I would want to be posthumously transitioned.
I never chose my AGAB. Don’t assume.
1 picture of him in a dress does not make him trans
On the one hand, we should always be cautious never to conclude anything about another person’s gender on their behalf.
On the other hand, it’s a lot more than one photo. And I’m not just talking about the fact that there’s literally multiple photos from multiple shows. Kurt’s family found a pretty sizeable collection of women’s clothes and makeup in his home. There are multiple interviews where he talks about feeling closer to the feminine side of the human experience or how he always tended to gravitate more towards having female friends, lots of stuff like that.
There’s also supposedly an early draft of All Apologies - supposed because the document exists but some people contend the authenticity - with the line “Let me grow some breasts.”
None of this is conclusive and should not be read as such, but anyone who has seen someone struggling with their gender is going to have a hard time coming to any other conclusion. Given Kurt’s obvious struggles with self-worth and eventual suicide, it’s hard not to see a painfully familiar pattern playing out here.
I disagree with people who posthumously assign him she/her pronouns and insist on categorically stating he was trans - that’s just as much misgendering as it would be to deny a trans person’s identity - but I think it’s a pretty reasonable assumption all told.
I think you’ve got the right of it. Deciding without asking that someone is “she” feels like a loss of agency on their part. Especially if Kurt is on the record saying he wished people wouldn’t do that.
Thinking that Kurt’s actions means he was gender nonconforming and possibly a trans woman is perfectly good and sad :'(
Or…maybe he was just a femboy yk
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