For a decade or two now, it’s been pretty much assumed that everyone has an internet-connected, camera-equipped, browser-capable device in their pocket. Restaurants, banks, hospitals, employers and even government offices use QR codes and websites to get you to their menus, forms or services.
If ID is being tied to my mobile spy device, then I need my mobile spy device to be a right and not a luxury. $40-50 for a few years of validity, internet access provided at no cost, even if slow. I can have my luxury phone be where I’m ‘anonymous’, but I want the government to subsidize the mobile spy device if it’s a mandatory expense. Even cheap phones cost a lot of money.
To be clear, I don’t want ID tied to my phone, but it’s gotten harder to exist without one, so it should be something we have access to with minimal friction.
Add food, water and shelter to that list, but you can’t ask for them without a web browser.
You can install Google Play Services as a sandboxed app on GrapheneOS. That’s not the issue. I believe the issue is that Google will use hardware attestation to check if the OS you’re running it on is Google-approved.
eww recaptcha,spyware piece of shit.
Most of the time, my phone’s browser is disabled. It keeps me from using my phone too much. I understand not everyone is in a position where they can do that though.
Or even want that…
Sites need to stop using recaptcha. It’s an unnecessary barrier to using a site and I often refuse out of principle.
websites need to stick to hcaptcha or turnslide
Which websites does this actually affect? I use GrapheneOS and I’ve yet to be affected by this, granted I don’t use many mainstream services.
Off subject a bit, what is the cheapest option for a graphene phone?
The most dead cheap supported option would be the Pixel 6, which looks like it sells starting at about $130 on Swappa. The security recommended minimum from Graphene team would be the Pixel 8, which lists starting at $220.
Thanks for the reply, that is doable, the 220, or even a little better.
the oldest pixel that they support.
i haven’t seen this qr code thing yet, but recaptcha itself i see on many sites including archive.today
I dont think its been rolled out quite yet.
how is ubuntu touch or kde touch going? when i switch to my next phone Android might be a no go
ubuntu touch works well but there’s almost no apps for it. there’s not even firefox
Kde mobile…exists. It’s even possible to run it. I wouldn’t expect an amazing performance though.
All these captchas just make me evaluate effort vs need. Facebook throws a captcha every time because I log in from a private window. Before it just gave me a warning unrelated to my interests. I mostly use facebook for work, and those sweet lawnmowing videos. If they keep it up I will only log in for work.
I doubt OP cares, but I use GrapheneOS with Google Play services. It’s still better than regular Android. Don’t give up because you can’t get 100%
I would imagine that having a full control of the underlaying system would allow a wrapper to be developed for the Play Services, so it would not to be able to spy on you so well. Just feeding some partially spoofed data to it, or even whitelist it to work only with the apps that require it.
That’s exactly what the GraphendOS project did. IF you choose to install Google’s bullshit, which I did to use Maps and such, they run in a wrapper that makes them usable without the level of system access they typically require.
Just got Pixel 10a with GrapheneOS, very smooth. Is there a link? What websites are they talking about?
I wont visit a website if they require my identity. Other options out there.
Most goonings sites don’t use recaptcha
Is there no other option to verify? I mean like selecting bikes in pictures
That’s a raid!
Stand your ground.
Google reducing traffic for websites worldwide.
I am going to kill myself
First, don’t.
Second, at least you won’t get bombarded by auto mods spamming suicide hot line number.
Don’t worry, I won’t.
It’s just… everything kinda sucks hard these days. Internet and computer stuff in general is my getaway from all the depressing IRL stuff. But internet is also becoming shitty now. Personal computing is barely a thing nowadays; everything is turning into walled surveillance nightmares. Can’t even call them “walled gardens”, because gardens are actually supposed to be, like, nice things
Many things are actually amazing. Used enterprise hardware is faster and more affordable than ever. Desktop Linux is so much fun to use, we never have to interact with windows or mac. There’s people out there working on mostly free or entirely free hard- and software.
Things weren’t so good in the past either.
I hear you. Centralization without regulation comes with a huge cost. I’m trying to use more decentralized services and self host replacement for all google services gradually. And eventually replace phone with a lora msg and gps device that only has phone capabilities when on wifi.
Simultaneously I’m trying to “Return to monke”. interact less with technology and more with people and nature.
Go into nature please. Try walking or hiking. Just chill somewhere. Read a book.
Scribble something, it will be ugly but yours. Listen and smell what it’s like outside. Or just go for a walk without any podcast or music.
Noooo, don’t look at the bad, look at the good. We have this place and Gemini (the good one) to express ourselves.
And besides, the title in this repost is a bit sensational. That specific captcha needs a phone with the Google app. You can just delete data + refresh until you get a different one. Nothing about specifically degoogled phones, people without phones are affected just as much. I am sure MicroG would work just as well (if not now, at least later). Also, ideally you should click the fuck away from recaptcha sites either way. Paradoxically, Google’s own sites don’t have it usually except the search but nobody needs that (at least anyone you would ask on here), DuckDuckGo + StartPage (OR SearXNG) is good enough.
