• we are all@crazypeople.online
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          wait, what’s a fursuiter? do I have to ask yet another series of if statements to attain contextual awareness for these discussions or, like, what.

          • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
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            Obviously, one who wears a suit of fur.

            One meant to look like those cartoon animals, except it has eerie dead eyes usually, and way too many colors.

      • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
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        21 hours ago

        Sorry, I don’t trust language machines to ever know anything. It’s not their fault, you just can’t expect them to do what they aren’t capable of. If you really wanna think AI is useful, recognize the areas where it objectively isn’t useful.

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          20 hours ago

          I really dont get this argument. You can ask it for live link sources to verify whatever info it generates, depending on the topic.

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            In which case it doesn’t need to give a summary in the first place. Too often people won’t click on those sources over the ai blurb. It’s designed to exploit laziness by making being misinformed easy. Seeing people just give AI blurbs without a source as evidence is annoyingly common.

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              Too often people don’t read past the headline or even have their algorithm trained to consistently give dis/misinformation. I don’t see criticism of a tool, but rather how has developed and is used. This applies in so many areas that I think the more effective approach is teaching people how to think more critically and criticizing the companies for not doing their due diligence in promoting that. Otherwise it comes across like being upset people use social media, in which case I think we are far too beyond the Pandoras box being opened to spend time focusing on that aspect. If you have solutions other than telling people not to use it, I’m all ears.

              • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
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                Machine learning is a useful technology that can do amazing things. “AI” is the cultural phenomenon of people thinking we created a magical solution to every problem. Machine learning might be able to sometimes query a search engine better, but LLMs will never know anything about the world because that’s not what it was designed for. Machine learning can make workers more productive, but we’re nowhere near the point where it can be a laborer itself. People should lean how the technology actually works so they realize that half of the corporate implementations are a bad idea.

            • YoureHotCupCake@lemmy.world
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              I think you are right that the problem is often just lazy people not wanting to understand or use the tool in a way that is beneficial to them. But there are some good use cases for it, when I am coding I will ask questions and my session instructions are to only provide relevant links to source documentation that can be helpful in my problem and also provide tutorial links that could be relevant, never provide code or advice. I would say 7/10 times it gets me to the correct spot in the docs and provides some useful tutorials on the subject. Not perfect but I am not using it and just blindly trusting its advice, just using it to be a slightly faster search engine that gets me to the information I am seeking without me having to dig into the docs or jump from site to site finding the information.

              • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
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                Sure. So long as you are conscientious about how you’re using it, it can be useful. The problems arise when people think it’s magic and ignore that it will always have a chance of being wrong.

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              Unfortunately, I find that finding those sources by traditional search gets harder over time. Maybe the internet is now more garbage, maybe the search engines are more garbage, but a couple of times I failed to find a source on my own and used an LLM to find one (it may also fail, of course)

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                https://stopcitingai.com/

                😬

                That website was made by someone suffering from some cognitive dissonance. They correctly observe that LLMs “can produce convincing-sounding information, but that information may not be accurate or reliable” and then somehow immediately afterwards conclude that “summarize this for me” is the type of thing which LLMs “might” be “good at”.

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        Do I really have to ask ai and then still go elsewhere to actually verify the information because LLMs are actually just full of shit?

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        You never have to ask AI. You can always go look it up in Wikipedia, use an encyclopedia, or talk to someone who fights kangaroos professionally.

        In fact, I’d go so far as to say, never use AI for anything ever.

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          I’m very much with you but how would you look this up? Especially without going down a rabbithole about the kangaroo digestive system and if you don’t know anyone who fights kangaroos.

          Edit: I am, in fact, not advocating for AI but genuinely asking.

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            Google: “Do kangaroos fart?”

            Now, and this is apparently the hard part. Look at the results. NO don’t look at the AI bit on top, KEEP SCROLLING, there is more stuff down there. Look until you see a thing that appears to be a not bullshit source.

            Click on that result.

            Read it.

            Congratulations. You learned something that is probably true.

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              Look until you see a thing that appears to be a not bullshit source.

              Most people don’t have this skill. And a lot of those web pages are going to be written by AI, too.

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              Google

              I’d like to politely decline.

              Now, glancing over DuckDuckGo results tells me that kangaroos do fart and there’s no mention of that being unusual in any way. So now what do I do? I come back here and ask the person who claimed they don’t fart to please elaborate and why they claim that. What was gained in this exercise?

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                Okay wise guy, what if an LLM told you the same thing? what would be gained then?

                What if the comment your pointing at is wrong?

                What if you didn’t need to have your thinking done for you?

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                  23 hours ago

                  The very first thing I said was that I agree with not asking an AI, ever, for anything.

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                Why does you learning something require you to go and do all of that? You learned that OP is incorrect and you shared that with everyone here. Why are you adding steps? Is this genuinely a new concept for you?

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              KEEP SCROLLING, there is more stuff down there. Look until you see a thing that appears to be a not bullshit source.

              Yeah, about that, sometimes there will be no not bullshit source or no relevant result at all even if bullshit. Depends on how complicated the question is, but search engines look to perform worse lately, too

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            Why wouldn’t you want to go down that rabbithole? Would keep me busy for few hours al least. Much more better way to kill time instead of just doomscrolling.

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        Legend has it there are these things called “search engines”. People say they are doors to actual human knowledge

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            We can still restrict the search to dates before 2023, in case we’re not looking for more recent information, and be fully ai-free

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              The problem for me is the AI curating and interpreting the results for you with every search.

              If you’re using a mainstream “AI powered” search engine these days, it will come to a conclusion on its own and then show you only results that corroborate it, rather than the other way around.

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                That was happening before AI, it’s just that machine learning was harnessed to make it worse rather than better. Imagine if they used machine learning to combat SEO or recognize that it’s not giving you what you want after the first page. Instead it’s just a disinformation machine to maximize how easy it is to control the public.

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    It would be funnier if she started saying something in the lines of furries shouldn’t exist or that’s something really bad, and it ended with “mom, I have news for you”