The best one I’ve ever heard is they like the Microsoft wallpapers. Yes i told them you can use them on linux too. But they argued with me that they wouldn’t be compatible.
there’s a meme i’ve seen a few times about how it’s “an operating system for coding”
The whatchacallit, terminal with super cryptic commands is too hard. When I go on the internet and say my system has a problem and they tell me to type sudo pacman -Syu, I need something more easier than that. You know like-- with more steps. And five modal GUIs. And buttons.
This was quite a few years ago, but a friend of mine said he’d tried Linux but had switched back because some clipboard feature he was used to using didn’t work (sorry, I forget the details). He was a programmer to, so perfectly capable of troubleshooting or finding some alternative tool. I just stared at him dumbfounded.
Sadly its really hard to change habits. But it goes both ways, every time I need to use windows I find myself grunting for every minor thing that doesn’t work as expected.
I get him though, mouse wheel click for a secondary copy buffer is one of the main things that’s extremely annoying to me when I have to use Windows, I can never retrain my brain to stop doing it and I get annoyed that it doesn’t work until I remember why.
“Linux isn’t made for professional use” - Colleague from Work who is an Apple stan. And yes he bought the Apple™ Cloth for iPhone.
“Lack of consensus on pronunciation of name.”
And I stand by it.
Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as Linux
Agreed. But it does make it easy to tell evil Linux users from good Linux users. I pronounced it so you can tell who is who.
I’m so glad you agree that Linux users are the evil ones.
Obvious, right? Only an evil person would say it that way.
“It’s old tech”
In my experience, there are no silly reasons. Most people tend to stick to what they’re familiar with and not to experiment. And that is just fine.
On the other hand there are also other people eager to learn something new. Take your time and invest your energy in them. Show them around. It is a win:win.
On the other hand, there are people wasting our time (relatives) and have no data in the machine which is a glorified browser.
For them I installed Linux mint, left a 200x200 Firefox icon on the desktop (which they already used) and called it a day.
If they accidentally hit the mute button on the YouTube page, that was going to happen regardless and I’ll get to it when I get to it next time I visit (if I have time). It’s kind of amazing how they can resolve it themselves when you don’t solve the issue for them quickly.
Edit: my point was: their desire doe no change does not come before my desire to have an up to date secure OS for them to use (even of it’s just YT browsing)
for alot of people their relationship with windows is like that of an abusive partner. which is why you see alot of the same excuses pop up
Devil’s advocate here. When people complain about phone calls, or going out in public, or being social, I think “it’s not hard.” I know for some people it is a massive hassle.
Apply that same sentiment to having to learn an OS that is irrelevant to your job or seems difficult or you’re not interested in.
Sometime around 2004, I somehow managed to get a friend to try Linux. They spent an entire weekend compiling a custom kernel just to run some experimental beta driver that might have made Doom 3 somewhat playable on their system. Everything compiled just fine, but whenever they booted up the system, they discovered they had forgotten to re-enable sound support. A recompile fixed that, but performance wasn’t what they were expecting. I think they got like 15fps or something like that. After a few weeks of using Linux they reinstalled win-xp…
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Nope, but gaming was essentially non-existing. We had almost no native title, and wine while great was very hit or miss. I remember having to tweak a lot for each game, from the basic whine version to the DLLs installed, etc, usually going only by what was on WineHQ, or troubleshooting yourself on guesses. Eventually PlayOnLinux was created and we had a repository of a “stable” way to run a game, but it was still bad. Eventually some Indie games started releasing for Linux, and I swore off wine except for some very specific stuff. When Steam was released for Linux, it was a great time, and some native games came our way. And then Proton happen and while lots of us were a bit uncertain about it, it turned out to be great, and thanks to that we’re now in a state where the majority of games just work.
But back to your question, the general Linux experience outside of gaming (and other software compatibility) was not much different than today, with the exception of Xorg configurations, which I still to this day remember I don’t have to do anymore and immediately all other problems seem insignificant.
Hard to say, but I’d say no…
that was a pretty valid response in 2004
last few years tho …Recompiling and replacing libraries was a thing back then - linux had it’s own flavor of ”DLL hell”. I broke a Debian install trying to get an IDE for Mono running by overriding and replacing quite a lot of shared libraries.
That being said I didn’t fully know what I was doing when I started off and the package manager kept warning me.
Everyone has to start somewhere…
Why are you using that shitty kitchen sink that came with the house? You can get a much better sink and install it yourself. Also, the audio system that came with your car sucks. Just install a new aftermarket one, it’s not that hard bro.
Except this is free
That helps, but switching to Linux often is much broader in scope than just the OS. People have time and money invested in software that doesn’t work in Linux. For example, it’s not trivial to switch from Photoshop to Gimp or Krita. In my case, I detest Windows and have many years of experience with Linux, but still begrudgingly dual boot to use Cubase because I haven’t gotten around to learning something that does work on Linux like Reaper. I also have expensive mocap software that only works on Windows, in addition to using MetaHuman Animator in Unreal Engine that still does not support Linux. I’ll probably get around to getting completely off Windows at some point, but even for me who is a die-hard Linux enthusiast, I have to prioritize my limited free time, so I can see where someone who isn’t would be like meh, I’ll just use Windows for now and not bother dual booting.
I also haven’t been successful getting my spouse to switch to Linux, who has only ever used Macs and thinks everything else is overly complicated. My father uses an iPad and a Windows machine for specialized software that won’t work on Linux and has zero interest in dual booting. My kid, on the other hand, has only ever used Linux and has no desire to use anything else.
I feel like most people don’t buy software anymore. Everything runs in the browser.
Like, nerds and enthusiasts and game playing people sure. But most people? Nah. It’s all Instagram, Facebook, tiktok, Reddit, YouTube. Maybe like roll20 if they’re a dnd nerd. Most people aren’t doing Photoshop or blender.
Only if you have a lot of free time and skills.
pretty much every widely used distro has a user-friendly installer and it takes less time than windows does to get installed in my experience
So? People just prefer to use something else. None of my business.
It really doesn’t require much aside from backing up, I can have a linux system up and running with a complete beginner in 30 minutes or so.
Me too. But I’m not going to bother people telling them what they “should” use. And I was talking about the “sink” example anyway.
Sure but these things are not remotely comparable.
A friend of mine finally decided to heed my advice and try it out. He successfully installed fedora and was pleasantly surprised by the ‘clean’ design (of gnome). He then enabled his Bluetooth headphones and DMed me that they won’t connect. The BT menu wouldn’t show them.
Now, I wouldn’t call him stupid, so I committed a grave sin of troubleshooting when I decided to not offend his intelligence. We hopped on a call and started debugging. Looking at drivers, support for his hardware, logs for any errors… He didn’t have another device to connect through BT at the moment and I was out of ideas, so we called it a night and decided to try again tomorrow.
By the time we reconnected the next day, he had already reinstalled windows, but was suffering from the same issue.
And then it downed on me… “Did you pair your headphones?” I asked, afraid of the answer. He just blinked twice and the “what do you mean?” hit me so hard I couldn’t even laugh. “I’ve never had to do that before…”
Some painful explanations later, or an argument really, and his headphones were paired. But by that time he had had enough and didn’t want me to bother him about Linux again. Needless to say, pointing out it was his misunderstanding of the technology that ultimately led to this outcome didn’t really help.
This memory still injects fury in my veins as I fall asleep, right there with fumbling my words when speaking with my highschool crush…
People blame everything on whatever the last change was
Went to the mechanic for an oil change and now my AC doesn’t work? The mechanic must have fucked my AC while changing my oil!!! 1!1!1!1
All while claiming they did “nothing” when they f-ed up themselves.
Around '98, a tech support guy got a call that their application didn’t work anymore. He tried to troubleshoot, but the system was a mess. “Did you change anything since yesterday?” - “No, we didn’t!”.
What they did do, though, was running the Win98 update the day before. Which, at one point, after doing lots of things, complained that it could not continue for some reason, and offered to “undo” the changes…
“I’ve never had to do that before…”
Not trying to shit on the guy, but like, that’s literally the first thing you do with BT anything. 😄
I guess that really depends on the equipment though, some devices when you turn it on for the first time will automatically enter pairing mode, so all that had to be done is click it in the bluetooth menu, but it might not auto enter pairing mode when you turn it on after. So it’s unlikely the user ever knew they were pairing it, and just clicked through the prompts like many do
Yeah, no, of course. But that’s kinda my point: there was still an initial pairing. I’m not trying to be antagonistic or anything. I just find it a bit silly that one could research how to replace their entire OS with one they’re not familiar with but not realize they’re gonna have to re-pair their BT devices.
Then again, I think we’re all guilty of sometimes missing small details. I once put a PC together for a buddy and couldn’t figure out why it wouldn’t post only to eventually realize I was a dummy who forgot to plug in the CPU power. 😂
We all have been there. First technical build I struggled for 45 minutes trying to figure out why I was getting a zero display whatsoever only to find out that I plugged that damn HDMI cable into the wrong port, and the board had disabled everything including post and splash from using the motherboards port
He was able to install Linux and Windows but couldn’t figure out how to pair a Bluetooth device…
TBF Bluetooth sucks a lot. To this day I need to power cycle the phones Bluetooth connection and headphones connect button a few times for it to pair properly some times. Different brands and headphones, silly different issues for all. Want to use your headphones for more that a phone and laptop? Maybe on a third device like a TV or desktop? Fuck you.
I find a big part of trying to be the friend that transitions others to Linux is taking on the role of mentor. It’s something a lot of wish we could just hand to someone and dust off our hands, but that ultimately leads to experiences like yours.
For a better chance of success, especially on first install, be on the line with them as they go through the steps, or in person is better yet.
Answer all the questions you can and help them install all their usual stuff. Most people don’t want to have to go through this change, so making it fun and social goes a long way.
Indeed that was my intention. I just never thought that he wouldn’t be familiar with something so ubiquitous in today’s world, so I didn’t even think to ask. That’s why this situation is so infuriating to me, not so much that he didn’t know, but that my assumptions prevented me to resolve it
We regularly believe that, because we know, everyone else knows, and that’s a failure I’m extremely guilty of. I gave my sister a Qnap NAS about 6 years ago and told her to just plug it in, plug in the land cable and set it up. 2 years after that she calls me asking for info on a data recovery service for her Mac. So I asked her why she needed data recovery, that’s what the NAS was for. Well, she did what I told her, but never configured backing up her files.
So, yeah, now I assume everyone is ignorant and pass for arrogant some times over explaining.
Mostly I can’t be bothered, or Roblox won’t run, or some stereotypes about Linux being difficult.
the dumbest reason was that they hate penquins, but the one you can’t argue with is that they don’t need to because it does all they need it to do
If the next words out of that foxes mouth arnt a tirade of absolute unfiltered hate towards gnome. Then we goanna have problems. And I think Its time for a nice new fox fur scarf.
KDE or stay away :P
I think I made the mistake of pushing my grandfather away from Linux. He’s retired but does some professional photography; he’s used Photoshop for years, but said he’s open to leaving Adobe.
One day recently, he told me he heard about “this Linux thing” and asked me if it would be a good fit and run Windows applications well. I told him his main issue was probably Photoshop, and that even switching, he’d still need some stable, consistent way to open past PSD files. In retrospect, maybe I should have looked more closely at his use case to see the complexity of his edits and if they might have worked well in another program that runs on Linux.
