I want to note that the grandparents of the modern day Americans saved us from oppression and fascism and I/we are still greatly thankful for that.
A lot of this generation of Americans however are a disgrace. A disgrace to their parents and grandparents and to the everything that’s good and decent in the world.
I like to pretend that the people that voted for trump are the descendents of either cowards or people lucky enough not to have fought in WW2.
I can’t imagine decency and morality disappearing from a family’s upbringing in two generations.
The US only joined the war opportunistically and because Japan was stupid enough to drag them into it.
Ever heard of the guy named Harry Truman (I’m sure he wasn’t anyone too important)? That’s what he had to say about WW2:
If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.
The Soviets did the majority of the fighting against the Nazis and the Chinese againt Japan.
America was isolationist until they were dragged kicking and screaming into the war. Churchill was regularly crossing the Atlantic to beg Roosevelt to try to garner enough support to join the war. The American people did not care. The majority were against joining the war.
All the same today, The majority of Americans either support MAGA or are indifferent. Short of some great personal injury such as a Pearl Harbor type event, Americans will continue to be as they are.
The idea that Americans were anti-fascist heroes is propaganda. They were only angry that they got got by Japan.
The soviets saved the world from fascism, 4/5ths of Nazi deaths were on the Eastern Front. The US took advantage of its new privledged position after World War II to become the world hegemonic empire, which leads us to today. Before World War II, it was and still is to this day a genocidal settler colony.
Hitler and Stalin were allies from 1939 to 1941. Stalin’s incompetence in the 1930s lead to the deaths of millions of Soviets, and imperiled millions more;
Churchill, for all his faults—and he had a several very bad faults—at least took Hitler seriously;
The communists were never allies with the Nazis. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance. The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French. The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.
When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, the Soviets reluctantly agreed to sign a non-agression pact, in order to delay the coming war that everyone knew was happening soon. Throughout the last decade, Britain, France, and other western countries had formed pacts with Nazi Germany, such as the Four-Power Pact, the German-French-Non-Agression Pact, and more. Molotov-Ribbentrop was unique among the non-agression pacts with Nazi Germany in that it was right on the eve of war, and was the first between the USSR and Nazi Germany. It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.
Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:
If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.
Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis. The Soviet Union did not agree to invade Poland with the Nazis, it was about spheres of influence and red lines the Nazis should not cross in Poland. When the USSR went into Poland, it stayed mostly to areas Poland had invaded and annexed a few decades prior. Should the Soviets have let Poland get entirely taken over by the Nazis, standing idle? The West made it clear that they were never going to help anyone against the Nazis until it was their turn to be targeted.
Churchill did not take the Nazis as a serious threat, and was horrified when FDR and Stalin made a joke about executing Nazis. Churchill starved millions to death in India in preventable ways, and had this to say about it:
I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.
Meanwhile, the soviet famine in the 1930s was the last major famine outside of wartime in the USSR, because collectivized farming achieved food security in a region where famine was common. As a consequence, life expectancy doubled:
The Nazis and soviets were never allies. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance, and the non-aggression pact between the soviets and the Nazis was unique among the other non-aggression pacts in that it was on the eve of war. The soviets knew war was coming, and so bought more time to prepare.
Not sure what including an example of the social fascism of the SPD at the end there is supposed to do for your point.
My grandfather served in the same Americanmilitary who thought it was inappropriate for him to die in the same trench as a black man or for women to wear pants. I’m not really interested in fluffing their generation - they’re perfectly happy doing it themselves.
He received the Silver Star for gallantry in action in the Balkans and Mediterranean (according to his citation, “Lt. Hamilton displayed great courage in making hazardous sea voyages in enemy-infested waters and reconnaissance through enemy-held areas”), a Bronze Arrowhead device for parachuting behind enemy lines, and a commendation from Yugoslavia’s Josip Broz Tito. He left active duty on December 24, 1945.[19] Tito awarded him the Order of Merit.[20]
I want to note that the grandparents of the modern day Americans saved us from oppression and fascism and I/we are still greatly thankful for that.
A lot of this generation of Americans however are a disgrace. A disgrace to their parents and grandparents and to the everything that’s good and decent in the world.
I like to pretend that the people that voted for trump are the descendents of either cowards or people lucky enough not to have fought in WW2.
I can’t imagine decency and morality disappearing from a family’s upbringing in two generations.
The US only joined the war opportunistically and because Japan was stupid enough to drag them into it.
Ever heard of the guy named Harry Truman (I’m sure he wasn’t anyone too important)? That’s what he had to say about WW2:
The Soviets did the majority of the fighting against the Nazis and the Chinese againt Japan.
I’m so sorry that you got your education at a clown school.
America was isolationist until they were dragged kicking and screaming into the war. Churchill was regularly crossing the Atlantic to beg Roosevelt to try to garner enough support to join the war. The American people did not care. The majority were against joining the war.
All the same today, The majority of Americans either support MAGA or are indifferent. Short of some great personal injury such as a Pearl Harbor type event, Americans will continue to be as they are.
The idea that Americans were anti-fascist heroes is propaganda. They were only angry that they got got by Japan.
you did nothing loser, it was the soviets and the chinese who did that, you piece of shit
The soviets saved the world from fascism, 4/5ths of Nazi deaths were on the Eastern Front. The US took advantage of its new privledged position after World War II to become the world hegemonic empire, which leads us to today. Before World War II, it was and still is to this day a genocidal settler colony.
Hitler and Stalin were allies from 1939 to 1941. Stalin’s incompetence in the 1930s lead to the deaths of millions of Soviets, and imperiled millions more;
Churchill, for all his faults—and he had a several very bad faults—at least took Hitler seriously;
but yes, the Soviets fought harder than any Ally.
The communists were never allies with the Nazis. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance. The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French. The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.
When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, the Soviets reluctantly agreed to sign a non-agression pact, in order to delay the coming war that everyone knew was happening soon. Throughout the last decade, Britain, France, and other western countries had formed pacts with Nazi Germany, such as the Four-Power Pact, the German-French-Non-Agression Pact, and more. Molotov-Ribbentrop was unique among the non-agression pacts with Nazi Germany in that it was right on the eve of war, and was the first between the USSR and Nazi Germany. It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.
Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:
Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis. The Soviet Union did not agree to invade Poland with the Nazis, it was about spheres of influence and red lines the Nazis should not cross in Poland. When the USSR went into Poland, it stayed mostly to areas Poland had invaded and annexed a few decades prior. Should the Soviets have let Poland get entirely taken over by the Nazis, standing idle? The West made it clear that they were never going to help anyone against the Nazis until it was their turn to be targeted.
Churchill did not take the Nazis as a serious threat, and was horrified when FDR and Stalin made a joke about executing Nazis. Churchill starved millions to death in India in preventable ways, and had this to say about it:
Meanwhile, the soviet famine in the 1930s was the last major famine outside of wartime in the USSR, because collectivized farming achieved food security in a region where famine was common. As a consequence, life expectancy doubled:
The Nazis and soviets were never allies. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance, and the non-aggression pact between the soviets and the Nazis was unique among the other non-aggression pacts in that it was on the eve of war. The soviets knew war was coming, and so bought more time to prepare.
Not sure what including an example of the social fascism of the SPD at the end there is supposed to do for your point.
My grandfather served in the same Americanmilitary who thought it was inappropriate for him to die in the same trench as a black man or for women to wear pants. I’m not really interested in fluffing their generation - they’re perfectly happy doing it themselves.
Look up operation paperclip
FWIW,
wp:Operation Paperclip
and,
wp:Operation Osoaviakhim
Makes me sick just thinking about so many getting away with everything
If you’re talking about WW2 then you’re wrong
wp:Sterling Hayden (March 26, 1916 – May 23, 1986)
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Who’s “us”, asshole? America has been a genocidal settler colony for centuries