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[Kill ten bears, loot an ass off of no more than one of them]
“How do nine out of ten bears not have an ass?!?”
As the other comments hinted but didn’t spell out: You destroyed the bear’s ass before you killed it… … That’s not only on you, but you clearly already had your “trophy” 🤣
things get real weird when you get two asses from one bear
It’s a scientific fact that only one our of every five goretusk boars actually has a liver.
Usually, I’d assume that the act of killing them would destroy the desired object in most encounters. But that’s just my personal headcanon.
I did the same kind of justification, but it’s a design decision to pad out the activity with a gambling adjacent pattern. If the drop rate was 100% no one would question it.
it would make sense if it was 90% drop rate, as you mostly harvest correctly but sometimes make a mistake …
Do we just need a “harvesting” skill that affects drop rate?
Yep, the slot machine algorithm (a bucket fills up with every coin, the fuller the bucket the more plausible the win).
It begins feeling repetitive.
Even though it’s less repetitive than the current system.
i mean some quests are 100% drop rate, and i for one like the variety. Does it make a huge difference? Not really but its still feels nicer
If you like it then you like it I guess. I never got those kinds of quests, personally
Not every
onebear has the time or means to go to the gym.
So that’s why I’ve been getting so many grindr msgs
Bring me
12yourBearBare Asses.
I remember playing some shitty free MMOs in my youth. Kill 12 foobars, kill 10 bazbots. Being legitimately excited when they overlapped so I could do more than one at the same time. Some part of the brain just gets excited seeing numbers go up and progress bars fill.
RS is pretty much like this for most of its “content quests”
According to Skyrim, every Jarl has a new vampire in their court every other day.
I said it sounds like you’re just feeding vampires to the dragonborn and Harkon started crying.
Really? I thought most RS quests were far more detailed than go here kill thing. Need to actually read what is going on, work out where to go and even includes puzzles to solve in some of them.
Actual design that many others are lacking. ESO is another with somewhat better quests, although I think that is more due to them being fully voice acted rather than the tasks themselves.
Yeah I remember even getting into cookie clicker, knowing fully that it was obviously hijacking my reward centres.
I feel that as you get older (or rather, have experienced more games) you can’t fall for it as easily, but ofc I’m sure that isn’t universal.
I got a friend to play Path of Exile with me once. They hadn’t really played a lot of video games before. When they leveled up and it did all the sparkly lights they were like “oooh wow!!”
I was like oh, I guess I’m numb to that thrill since I’ve seen it a million times. But the sparkle reward was fresh for them and got their attention.
For me it was just watching the health and mana globes refill on level up in the original Diablo, back when its difficulty and atmosphere was all I needed to scare myself witless
Oh, and said optimization, like you are gaming the system big time.
Elite Dangerous massacre stacking 😌 “Kill 200 Foobar Party pirates”, but 10 of those missions at once (from different factions, or it won’t work!).
I love the concept of WoW; having played consistently from Open Beta until Cataclysm, and then playing the first year or each expansion (ending at Shadowlands).
I’m definitely excited to try Forever, but once I realised that all of the quests come down to one of the following:
- Go To X (inc. talk to quests)
- Collect n of Y (gather quests)
- Kill n of Z (kill quests)
It’s hard to re-bottle the genie and in-break the immersion.
Same here, well I think I did closed as well but it’s been so long. I used to have a lot of fun because I would challenge the difficulty of the game and well the last time I played, it was all nerfed. I had more fun duo’ing VC with my friend starting at lvl 11 and getting to lvl 17 by the time we got there. It was a thorough struggle but it was fun. Or how many times I ran to get a barmans shanker solo. Same with farming whatever that lvl 55 elite Templar or whatever area to get a kroll blade solo as a rogue. And picking professions like enchanting and engineering instead of idk a normal combination. I was kinda bummed to see level requirements for dungeons and elite areas becoming normal. I just wanted to experience some nostalgia.
I always loved screwing around like that and think it’s an important part of MMOs. My friend and I used to do Blood Furnace as a hunter and mage and see if we could get past the first boss, we couldn’t but the fun part was trying.
Yeah of course, figuring out ways to play that’s not intended by developers is always fun. I mean I saved 40 man raids from having to run back after a wipe so many times. The rogue with a defibrillator combo was great. And enchanting paved the way of materials. I can imagine developers figured someone that eventually that would become a thing for rogues and hunters since FD and Vanish. Also it was fun to use a macro to use the looking glass to jump up to places and walk the side of mountains to see unfinished content.
And only every third bear you kill has an ass
I can’t decide if this is better or worse than FFXIV’s “Talk to NPC #1. Talk to NPC #2. Watch long cutscene. Point at NPC #3. Report back to NPC #1. Quest complete!”
I think that style can be done well, like Tides of Numenera is mostly talking but it feels engaging because you’re using your skills and trying to figure out mysteries and stuff.
I really wish FF14 would steal from games like this
ffxiv is a good game but the msq actually drives me up a wall i cant do it
I’m sure you’ve heard this plenty already, but if you can push through the base game (A Realm Reborn) story, it gets way way better once you hit the first expansion. I was skeptical, but the story and character development in the expansions legit blew me away
Ive done it, ive raided extremes or whatever they wrre called in that game i forgor. I just am very uninterested in the story so the gameplay loop of msq just so i can do dungeons and raids with friends is… lets just say not fun for me.
Ahh I see–that makes sense. I wish they’d do more to make the game more accessible for people not interested in the story
Main side quest?
Main story quest
Ah, that makes more sense. 😂
Deliver unto me four zebra hooves.
How do so many of these zebras not have hooves?
I used to think this all the time “bring 12 spider legs and eyes…” every second spider might have one eye or one leg… “Yo wtf!? The one thing everyone knows about spiders is that they have 8 of each”
But in hindsight, I think the idea is that after the fight there are only x usable/viable specimens left over.
Like you drive a mallet into its face, most eyeballs go pop
Don‘t you guys have hooves?
Or only one?
Oh wow, look at this hoof millionaire.
Only 500.000, or hoof of a millionaire.
I do not understand how people can still play stuff like that. Such an unfun and outdated gamemechanic.
A friend of mine talked me into playing WoW with him once. He had me spend 4 hours doing fetch quests and skipping an entire encyclopedia worth of dialogue to level up to the point that we could start playing dungeons, then during the first dungeon he told me to just follow behind everyone and collect the loot they left behind. I snapped and couldn’t do it anymore after that. I was genuinely on the verge of a mental breakdown.
I kinda feel the same way about Diablo-style games. I’m only ever encouraged to play by people who have put so much time into it that they can’t appreciate the gameplay loops or the story anymore and only want to rush to max level and do the same loot runs over and over again.
If I play by myself, I can kind of see the appeal, but I’m playing “sub-optimally” and wasting a bunch of time. Eventually, I will have to fall in and keep up or just be satisfied playing alone.
It’s definitely more about the overall journey than the minute to minute gameplay.
In truth, the kill quests are actually great because they trick players into doing optimal gameplay for a little bit. Questing is a lot of downtime where you run around talking to npcs and going places. The best way to level up in Classic WoW is to sit in a valley and carve your name into a creature’s evolutionary line. The lower the drop rate of a quest item is, the more monsters you’ll kill, the more XP/hr you’ll end up with.
You can do that without a carrot on a stick and mandatory kill x. Then you also have to run to the npc 5 times after every quest. Its so boring and unecessary timeconsuming.
Since i have played guild wars 2 i cannot stand these types of quests in any game and even that game still has to use it in its story from time to time. But they at least always put a twist on it at and its never that long thankfully.
Games like WoW are nothing but that for the whole game. It has so many other old design flaws that it always astounds me how many people still fall for that and even pay monthly for a bucket of crap.
Again, it’s about the journey. It is time consuming. that’s the point. You don’t become as invested in a character if it only takes you 20 hours to reach max level. Vanilla WoW is a marathon. It’s a lot of friction, a lot of moving around, and a lot of spending time in the world. What makes that downtime interesting are the people. Quests being really boring and simple isn’t really great for making fun gameplay, true, but it is great for getting two complete strangers to be able to collaborate on the task and work together to complete it.
I become invested in a character if the story attached to it is well written or if i get to make meaningful decisions with it.
If the gameplay attached to it is boring or if i only run around the map hunting bear asses, why would i become attached to that?
Fetch quests just stretch out the game to keep you occupied.
Even hated that in games like skyrim, but you could mostly ignore it and level by exploring. In most MMOs its most of the game which is just awful and outdated. Just like mindlessly killing mobs.
Do you enjoy the fights in WoW/Skyrim/whatever? If so, surely an uninspiring quest is still fun because it gets you to engage with a fun mechanic?
If not, then you can at least understand that other people do?
Yeah that is true and i can understand that. Got bored and annoyed with both pretty quick so thats probably it.
I remember playing back in 0X and even then the quests were silly. I liked running around looking at the geometry and hitting things there, but the quests took the fun out of it once I realised they were by far the more efficient way to level up (so you could go to new geometry to hit new things).
People like different things chill and let people do what they enjoy
I really dont want to make people upset and usually do not care what people play, but games like wow just make me angry somehow.
There are so many better games and even MMOs out there but thats not even the half of it. You spend money MONTHLY for your savegame basically, on something which is attached with so many bad things in the past and present.
Its only a puppet of microsoft at this point and we all know where that money goes. Not to the devs even if they unionized or whatever. To data centers and war and all riding on nostalgia which was never even that good.
Sorry for ranting but i dont know where else to put these thoughts other than a meme forum where mostly people ignore it anway.
I dunno, it’s pretty and braindead and you can explore stuff and roleplay.
I am not a big mmo person generally but most of the “better” games I’ve tried and overstimulating and exhausting. I used to like everquest a lot, and there’s still a lot other games don’t do better imho. I still get lost in some of everquest’s cities and dungeons when I load up p99 but that doesn’t happen in more polished games.
People spend monthly on things all the time for enjoyment. Freemium games are full of dark patterns (honestly modern wow is a bit too but a lot less than some), single player are excellent value for money sure but also not very social. Running servers does cost money and it sort of sucks, they are profiting but so are freemium products and shit. Community run MMOs are rare and awesome treasures to preserve, they still cost too though since if you don’t donate they die or you’re just leaching off people who do.
I don’t think wow is a terrible game, it’s just different. The people that make up the community suck though :(
You have probably tried Guild Wars 2 already but i think it is one of the only real MMOs since you automatically interact with lots of people if you want to and can engage more if you like, since the community is so nice in there. (Except PvP lol;)
You also have the freedom from the start to do whatever, which i understand puts some people of.
And it is also one if the best examples how f2p can work without screwing you over.
Subs are okay if the company needs money but server costs are not expensive for the big guys. You also pay extra for microtransactions in WoW right?
Line just always has to go up with them…
When I was into MMOs years ago I played its beta. I found it busy, minigame driven, lacking in dead time necessary for social interaction, and a bit ugly. The classes didn’t grab me either, they felt very samey.
Nothing like EQ where a bard can be kiting all around a zone, a wizard teleporting people around, rogues and necros helping people grab corpses etc.
I also very much enjoy stuff, or I did when I played, like in EQ where the world is extremely unfair and hostile. Modern MMOs are too much like fairgrounds. They’re afraid to tell you no or let you make bad decisions.
MMOs that have been better are things MUDs, EQ, Darkfall, eve (not by thing but amazing), OSRS (very single player now but when it was just runescape 1 and 2 it was neat), and mortal online.
Happiness writes white, if a game won’t let you get in over your head, lose things, and have a genuinely bad and frustrating time then the illusion of a world shatters and it becomes just another sort or masturbation
It has changed quite a lot since beta and i find it weird that classes feel same when they differ quite alot from each other.
Even more so since every big expansion offers Elite specs that change it another time.
Mesmer can port people and there are guilds specifically to help people with jumping puzzles that way.
The busy stuff is mostly in open world and map metas. If you wait for a world boss or chill in the cities there is alot of chatter and even roleplay.
It is very easy in the starting zones but gets very hard and unforgiving in the first big expac maps Heart of Thorns. I do like the laid back approach that you can do whatever from mindlessly exploring to hardcore raiding.
There are enough unforgiving single player games for my liking and i do not have much time so gw2 sort of values it by not giving me mandatory hurdles. When an update comes out i can play every content without gear grind.
But i know aswell that many people like that sort of thing.
I don’t know why you’re trying to sell it. I don’t play MMOs anymore except some p99 very rarely.
I just don’t think wow is a terrible game. It’s not for me, but all modern MMOs are awful anyway.
I agree with you but I guess people are too invested to even try to open their eyes and it is a safety for them to have their group of people in the game. The social aspects are often what holds people in wow I believe. Or that is how it was back when i played long ago when there was no cross server or lfg tools.
it’s a loop, you grab 20 kill quests at the hub, you kill you grind, you gather, you go back, turn in and level up, go back to main city and craft and sell and find the next hub.
I played WoW Classic when it first came out. I have not really done much questing at all. Just quickly pushed myself to a level where i can start doing dungeons & then did those to 60, had a pretty good time doing it too.
On retail questing is a bit better, not great but better. Still wouldn’t do it, but Blizzard is basically forcing everyone to do them these days.
Yeah and forcing stuff to proceed aside from tutorials is mostly outdated design IMO.
Thats why i will never play another GTA. If you build a giant sandbox let players do whatever not get stuck in skinner box loops and cutscenes.
That quest made me feel embearassed
1 nependeath honey; just a quick item hunt, in and out in 10 minutes.
1 week of farming later: 0/1 Nependeath Honey
Gonna be interesting to see where WoW Forever (such a shit name) goes. The game really doesnt lend itself to horizontal progression, they are going to have to keep dropping content consistently.
OSRS still king of “forever” MMOs.
Turtle WoW (a famous WoW Vanilla+ private server that recently shut down due to Blizzard) actually showed how a healthy Vanilla+ interpretation can look like. They added a lot of meaningful new content without adding power creep or making existing content obsolete. Basically a proof that it is possible with Classic WoW.
Its not impossible, but hard. They need a consistent content cycle. You level very fast in WoW, so once people are maxed, what is there for them to do?
Open world content, community funsies/rp content, collections, there’s a lot more you can do. Look at the vanilla plus private servers…or even Guild Wars 2 where leveling is exponentially faster than wow but you still have near infinite stuff to do. There’s tons of ways to do this without constant content additions, you just have to break out of the mindset of min/maxing and progression chasing, do stuff for fun instead of the slot machine effects.
I agree, but there still has to be a game there. We will see.
OSRS still king of “forever” MMOs.
Please elaborate
“forever” MMOs.
what are those, and why is OSRS the king of them?
Sandbox MMOs, designed with horizontal progression in mind. Something you can pick up, do whatever you want in, put down and then pick back up at a point in the future and carry on from exactly where you left off. You cant do this in WoW as a lot of your progress gets deleted or becomes irrelevant when they release a new expansion. WoW Forever is a mode that is trying to mimic that sandbox experience. That is a real challenge though.
They have stolen enough of guild wars 2 already. Might aswell steal that aswell.
Devs said new raid tiers will increase item power.
Interesting. As long as that doesnt get out of hand. I cant see them keeping the power creep under control to be honest.
got it, where they introduce new skills instead of raising the level cap, and keep power creep from being an issue.
I enjoy it while chatting with friends. It’s relaxing.
Never played WoW - so many lives were ruined at university that it was basically a cautionary tale. Don’t do crack, don’t do WoW. Been playing some Big Walk recently though, and I think the appeal is the same - it’s a chill activity to do with friends. Played a lot of Deep Rock Galactic previously and I think it’s the same (on haz 3) - a load of chill busywork, a bit of more exciting fighting, then back to chill and chat. Haz 4+ is a bit more focused.
They have done such a good job with wowf.
I hate blizzard and microsoft, but it does look very good and buying a wow sub isnt the worst thing you could do
Also worth boycotting US games where possible.
I’d argue all major corps but yeah if you’re outside the US you should stop buying anything from us unless actually necessary.
Still think they need to rethink the cost/structure of a subscription.
Like… give me a minutes system.
Im not paying $15/mo when I work full time and can only manage like 4 hours a month
APB tried that and it was pretty controversial. That was when a lot of us late millennial PC gamers were still in our teens and had tons of energy so it would be easy to spend all your minutes doing all nighters.
Having the option of both would be nice though because now I’m in the same boat as you. Would like to play, don’t want to sub.
Ah… I remember APB! Lol
Yea, maybe some sort of hybrid - $15/mo but if you spend <20 hours a month (or something), it rolls over to the next month until you’ve played x hours to be charged again
I mean they successfully unionized. So I’d say Blizzard is one of the better ones right now to give money to.
You cannot give money to ABK anymore without supporting Microsoft.
Otoh i actually think microsoft is what fixed the bill cosby room environment they had soooo
As it should since they stole everything from private servers
I havent played wpw private servers in a hot minute… Are they gone now??
Sorta? Blizzard hit the big ones and they kinda fractured into a bunch of smaller ones. A lot of what is in WoW forever was taken from Turtle WoW and Ascension.
Is wow forever a replacement for turtle?
Seems that’s what Blizzard is going for
Oh it’s an official one, didn’t catch that, thanks!
Not really. I run one. You can still host them yourself.
I have no idea how easy it is to subscribe to one though
CohhCarnage had a mild heart attack.
