Xiaomi is the same. The new 18 fold - 5th generation - has the 3nm O3 ring chip. Entirely developed and manufactured by Xiaomi.
And this will only be the beginning.
This is something most western people and governments either don’t or refuse to understand. All these BS sanctions on China, only motivate them more to develop counter products. Chinese will not curl up in a corner and cry. They will just shrug their shoulders and move on. Like the whole Nexperia debacle caused by the Dutch, Trump brown nosing government. Now all these vital chips for the western car industry, are now simply manufactured in China, not the Netherlands.
This is something most western people and governments either don’t or refuse to understand. All these BS sanctions on China, only motivate them more to develop counter products. Chinese will not curl up in a corner and cry. They will just shrug their shoulders and move on.
If by ‘shrug and move on’ you mean ‘redouble or quadruple their efforts to generate a domestic semiconductor market’, you’re quite right.
China has made no secret of their desire to domestically produce their own tech. So have we in fairness, difference is China has a possibility and overall policy support to actually make it happen. Difference is China’s been at it for 10+ years with a multi-pronged policy that includes trade, subsidies, market policy, and state support, and it’s starting to really pay off. We’ve been at it for 2 years with a single-pronged policy of tariffs.
I agree. The other thing is that China has are 25, 15, 10 and 5 year policy plans and broadly sticks to them. Plus they have backup plans for their backup plans.
Unlike most western governments that are being changed every few years - of they last that long - looking at you Holland. That means there is little to no continuity because the new government will have different plans, policies and priorities. For example look at America’s infrastructure compared to China’s. America’s infrastructure is shambolic. Biden tried with his infrastructure bill, but that was killed like the first week that orange monstrosity took office.
good job huawei.
Love me some freedom!
I can’t wait until HarmonyOS becomes global.
Isn’t HarmonyOS closed? I’d rather not jump from a bad ship to a worse one
It is like Android, mixed source. Android is based on the open source AOSP project. HarmonyOS is based on the open source OpenHarmony project. Kaihong has released laptops that uses its own OpenHarmony distribution.
Oh i see, that’s nice then
to a worse one
This seems to be quite the leap. Elaborate?
Closed = very bad
Android is open source, so you can at least make your fork and find a way to load it on phones that support bootloadee unlocking, while harmony is closed so you cannot do that which is objectively worse
As others have said harmony is setup exactly the same as android, open source OS on which a closed source customized flavor is built. It’s exactly as bad or not bad as android is in this regard. The flavor being in control of a Chinese corporation instead of an American one is another issue.
That’s reasonable thank you. I suppose I always took androids open source nature to be largely “theoretical”(?) given googles controlling stake and simply the nature of the mobile market where effectively every android device is running googles proprietary version. HarmonyOS is in reality in the same boat given it has OpenHarmony in parallel to HarmonyOS in the same way AOSP is parallel to Android.
we need something free and open, instead of moving from being dominated by one country to being dominated by another country
OpenHarmony does exist of which Huawei’s HarmonyOS is but one distribution.
That’s the spirit 👏
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Richard “big dick” Wolff is an expert on worker coops. Huawei is one
Doubt.
Thanks
I’m apparently 2 levels removed from whatever that meme is; no clue who that is for one
I think every international company and government is corrupt. I hate and trust them all equally.
Yeah buddy, that’s because you’re 12!
I think every international company and government is corrupt.
Unlike my domestic companies and government, whose motives are pure and only serve the best interests of the people.
Only some or them are doing genocide and bombing children tho
Don’t be a disingenuous prick
I think you meant some of them aren’t currently engaged in genocide. All of them have.
People are quick to forget the history of Hugo Boss, Nike, Bayer, Monsanto, because of all the charitable humanitarian work they’ve done. Oh wait…
I don’t see how you navigate life without understanding that the real world is far more complex than that.
Not all governments equally bomb weddings, hospitals, schools and provide political and military aid to countries convicted of genocide. Some nuance is in order.
peak enlightened centrism on display
enlightened centrism (uncountable)
(derogatory, politics) Centrism that is perceived as condescending because it treats all positions as equally valid or flawed without engaging with their actual merits, often positioning compromise or moderation as uniquely rational and above the fray.
Usage notes
This term is often used by both the left and right to criticize politicians and media figures who attempt to equally appeal to opposing viewpoints so that they can maximize their support, in a way that is seen as unprincipled or overly cautious.
Not really the case here, or do you go by a different definition?
Huh?
The original comment stated that they hate every government equally.
How does the definition you posted, which literally states “it treats all positions as equally flawed without engaging with their actual merits”, not fit here? This is a square shape object goes into square shape hole situation and couldn’t be more fitting.
Positions do not equal governments. His position is that all governments are untrustworthy. That’s just one position, one opinion. Not a myriad.
EDIT: to make it more clear: all governments being untrustworthy is something an anarchist would say. It would be quite the stretch to call that centrism, no?
I would say that those governments have positions and opinions that vary widely and that someone saying that all of their positions are equally bad, is peak enlightened centricism.
I made an edit to my previous post:
to make it more clear: all governments being untrustworthy is something an anarchist would say. It would be quite the stretch to call that centrism, no?
The person (I reckon) is rather talking about the inherent nature of a government being corrupt. The individual opinions of each government do not matter for this.
Ah, i also just edited my comment haha. Then the difference lies in us reading the comment differently. You would be correct in your interpretation of the comment, i do not see a reason why that interpretation would be less valid than mine either until comment OP clarifies their position
I mean… yeah? US blocked sales of damn near every US component to Huawei. What else were they going to do besides not use US components?
The point here, which evidently went over your head, is that China now has the technological capability and supply chains to produce cutting edge electronics domestically end to end. No other country, including the US itself, is able to do that.
Oh good grief why are you always so combative? I’m well aware that it’s clearly an accomplishment - but it’s also their only option besides go out of business so I don’t know what the US expected to happen.
Also erm… no, they aren’t end-to-end domestically produced:
The South China Morning Post noted Huawei is reducing reliance on advanced foreign semiconductor equipment
More interestingly, while the Kirin is considerably less dependent on US or Western tech, it doesn’t remove it from the equation entirely, and you still have to look closely at the bill of materials for receipts.
SMIC’s process, however, still leverages ASML immersion scanners.
They’re getting there, but if we go by what’s in the article they don’t have that capability yet.
Your “I mean… Yeah?” set the tone here.
OP has a long history of being incredibly hostile (bordering on abusive) to any perceived criticism - I assume this is why they interpreted “my lack of surprise at an almost tautological result” as somehow being criticism of Huawei or China.
Yeah but when you come in with a tone that is based on previous interactions rather than the current one, anyone who doesn’t know the previous context is going to see you as the combatative and the other commenter as just matching your energy.
Edit: Note that I don’t think your original tone is the issue here, but how you acted like they were out of line for returning the energy felt very… tone deaf.
I’m sorry, I’m not sure I’m following what you mean. I agree about my first comment (which I very much did not intend to be combative or critical of Huawei) - I think it’s pretty clear it was too easy to misinterpret, but OP initially replied to me with an unwarranted degree of defensiveness / hostility which I then subsequently called out. I’m not sure I understand how that was me acting like they were out of line for returning the energy; they brought the energy which I then, to a less harsh extent, returned.
They did aim theirs more directly at you but that first time I read the exchange it did feel like yours had a similar (though less stated) contempt for OP. I can see now that you didn’t necessarily intend that tone to be directed at OP but rather about the situation itself, but that misinterpretation did feel like it was setting a hostile stage that OP’s reply wasn’t an excessive escalation over.
And my last edit was just to say that even if you had intended that snark, it wasn’t (IMO) an unacceptable amount to begin with, but then commenting on the hostility in the response (which I agree wasn’t harsh itself) felt like you were playing the victim because someone fought back in a fight you started.
Btw, this isn’t an attempt to shame you or make you feel bad or anything. I’m only engaging with you about this because you did seem to be asking about the hostility in good faith and I could see why both of you were getting so many downvotes and upvotes from that exchange. Though not sure how useful my analysis will be here, considering it all started from a misinterpreted comment in the first place rather than intended hostility lol.
Your original comment essentially read like a bad reddit style anti-china argument. Like, “these dumb chinese people would have never figured out to do this if the US didn’t force them to! No need to give those asians any credit!”
It is now obvious you wrote it from the perspective of “duh, why is anyone in the west acting surprised? They literally have no other option besides dying”
Dude is just your average brainwashed white Western spitting fabricated consent dubbed as “common sense”
This company is currently embroiled in ip theft legal issues and it’s not looking good for them.
owww, poor companies are getting ips stolen from them. go help your corporate overlords!
embroiled
Anyone and any company can get ‘embroiled’ in anything.
All it takes is accusing you of being a thief a pedo or whatever.
And there you have Brkdncr ‘embroiled’ in a pedo case.This is nothing but the US sore losers using dirty tricks because they can’t compete in the free market they love so much.
Always with this excuse or national security/espionage.
PatheticWeird how this is not the case. You could begin by citing court cases and verdicts.
gives a shit about IP theft
Thinks it’s not looking good for Huawei
a lost redditor is currently embroiled in making a clown of themselves on lemmy and it’s not looking good for them
Huawei is way better than Apple or Samsung or the like
In what way? There are lots of countries outside of the US
Not directly related but isn’t this the same company who was caught stealing ip from Samsung on how to manufacture memory?
I’m not sure that matters. And it’s not like US hasn’t done the same in many cases too. I had an American friend who legit claimed US invented pizza
no
Imagine giving a shit about IP
Ultra based tbh
So it only spies a little, not a lot? Phew…
