The point here, which evidently went over your head, is that China now has the technological capability and supply chains to produce cutting edge electronics domestically end to end. No other country, including the US itself, is able to do that.
Oh good grief why are you always so combative? I’m well aware that it’s clearly an accomplishment - but it’s also their only option besides go out of business so I don’t know what the US expected to happen.
Also erm… no, they aren’t end-to-end domestically produced:
The South China Morning Post noted Huawei is reducing reliance on advanced foreign semiconductor equipment
More interestingly, while the Kirin is considerably less dependent on US or Western tech, it doesn’t remove it from the equation entirely, and you still have to look closely at the bill of materials for receipts.
SMIC’s process, however, still leverages ASML immersion scanners.
They’re getting there, but if we go by what’s in the article they don’t have that capability yet.
OP has a long history of being incredibly hostile (bordering on abusive) to any perceived criticism - I assume this is why they interpreted “my lack of surprise at an almost tautological result” as somehow being criticism of Huawei or China.
Yeah but when you come in with a tone that is based on previous interactions rather than the current one, anyone who doesn’t know the previous context is going to see you as the combatative and the other commenter as just matching your energy.
Edit: Note that I don’t think your original tone is the issue here, but how you acted like they were out of line for returning the energy felt very… tone deaf.
I’m sorry, I’m not sure I’m following what you mean. I agree about my first comment (which I very much did not intend to be combative or critical of Huawei) - I think it’s pretty clear it was too easy to misinterpret, but OP initially replied to me with an unwarranted degree of defensiveness / hostility which I then subsequently called out. I’m not sure I understand how that was me acting like they were out of line for returning the energy; they brought the energy which I then, to a less harsh extent, returned.
They did aim theirs more directly at you but that first time I read the exchange it did feel like yours had a similar (though less stated) contempt for OP. I can see now that you didn’t necessarily intend that tone to be directed at OP but rather about the situation itself, but that misinterpretation did feel like it was setting a hostile stage that OP’s reply wasn’t an excessive escalation over.
And my last edit was just to say that even if you had intended that snark, it wasn’t (IMO) an unacceptable amount to begin with, but then commenting on the hostility in the response (which I agree wasn’t harsh itself) felt like you were playing the victim because someone fought back in a fight you started.
Btw, this isn’t an attempt to shame you or make you feel bad or anything. I’m only engaging with you about this because you did seem to be asking about the hostility in good faith and I could see why both of you were getting so many downvotes and upvotes from that exchange. Though not sure how useful my analysis will be here, considering it all started from a misinterpreted comment in the first place rather than intended hostility lol.
Your original comment essentially read like a bad reddit style anti-china argument. Like, “these dumb chinese people would have never figured out to do this if the US didn’t force them to! No need to give those asians any credit!”
It is now obvious you wrote it from the perspective of “duh, why is anyone in the west acting surprised? They literally have no other option besides dying”
I mean… yeah? US blocked sales of damn near every US component to Huawei. What else were they going to do besides not use US components?
The point here, which evidently went over your head, is that China now has the technological capability and supply chains to produce cutting edge electronics domestically end to end. No other country, including the US itself, is able to do that.
Oh good grief why are you always so combative? I’m well aware that it’s clearly an accomplishment - but it’s also their only option besides go out of business so I don’t know what the US expected to happen.
Also erm… no, they aren’t end-to-end domestically produced:
They’re getting there, but if we go by what’s in the article they don’t have that capability yet.
Your “I mean… Yeah?” set the tone here.
OP has a long history of being incredibly hostile (bordering on abusive) to any perceived criticism - I assume this is why they interpreted “my lack of surprise at an almost tautological result” as somehow being criticism of Huawei or China.
Yeah but when you come in with a tone that is based on previous interactions rather than the current one, anyone who doesn’t know the previous context is going to see you as the combatative and the other commenter as just matching your energy.
Edit: Note that I don’t think your original tone is the issue here, but how you acted like they were out of line for returning the energy felt very… tone deaf.
I’m sorry, I’m not sure I’m following what you mean. I agree about my first comment (which I very much did not intend to be combative or critical of Huawei) - I think it’s pretty clear it was too easy to misinterpret, but OP initially replied to me with an unwarranted degree of defensiveness / hostility which I then subsequently called out. I’m not sure I understand how that was me acting like they were out of line for returning the energy; they brought the energy which I then, to a less harsh extent, returned.
They did aim theirs more directly at you but that first time I read the exchange it did feel like yours had a similar (though less stated) contempt for OP. I can see now that you didn’t necessarily intend that tone to be directed at OP but rather about the situation itself, but that misinterpretation did feel like it was setting a hostile stage that OP’s reply wasn’t an excessive escalation over.
And my last edit was just to say that even if you had intended that snark, it wasn’t (IMO) an unacceptable amount to begin with, but then commenting on the hostility in the response (which I agree wasn’t harsh itself) felt like you were playing the victim because someone fought back in a fight you started.
Btw, this isn’t an attempt to shame you or make you feel bad or anything. I’m only engaging with you about this because you did seem to be asking about the hostility in good faith and I could see why both of you were getting so many downvotes and upvotes from that exchange. Though not sure how useful my analysis will be here, considering it all started from a misinterpreted comment in the first place rather than intended hostility lol.
Your original comment essentially read like a bad reddit style anti-china argument. Like, “these dumb chinese people would have never figured out to do this if the US didn’t force them to! No need to give those asians any credit!”
It is now obvious you wrote it from the perspective of “duh, why is anyone in the west acting surprised? They literally have no other option besides dying”
Dude is just your average brainwashed white Western spitting fabricated consent dubbed as “common sense”