Linux 7.2 has landed, dragging x86 timing clean out of the nineties by making the Time Stamp Counter mandatory.
I wrote up a quick article on why ditching those ancient legacy fallbacks is good housekeeping, plus a few other bits like cache-aware scheduling and memory tweaks worth noting.
Is anyone still using legacy hardware? If so, what do you use it for?
Yup. Linux isn’t what used to be anymore.
Time to ask for a refund of the 0 money you paid to use it.
That’s not an individual problem, but you liberals only work in an individual and monetary logic. The Evil Empire’s propaganda is efficient.
This is so lemmy.ml it hurts. I’m bookmarking this comment, thank you.
You’re welcome, liberal. Hm, do you realize who were the liberals among the 4 nations?
Water tribe is the closest since they actually elect their leaders, but I wouldn’t even go that far. Fire nation are fascists who most definitely don’t hold elections, even sham ones like a liberal democracy being overtaken by fascists. Earth kingdom is pretty much a stand-in for China. Air nomads are probably closest to Tibet if anything.
Weird that you have to go into a user’s profile to make an argument though.
Do you realize they elect their leaders, or representants, in China? Do you know a lick about the Chinese system? Liberalism is proto facism, every liberal government was licking Hitler’s boots in the 1930s, so the Fire Nation is what happens after the ultimate Liberalism, in which unchecked competition and social darwinism win. Do air nomads have slavery like they do in Tibet? And the Earth Kingdom is way more akin to the late Feudal/Early National Mercantilist European regions.
It was worth, because we had this conversation.
I didn’t know ancient China a historically divine mandane ruled nation of warring tribes of dynasties had eletrtions.
Are you fucking stupid? It’s a stand in for ancient China not modern China you moron. It literally is a monarchy based on divine mandante.
Like the Absolutism in Europe? 🤦♂️
I actually didn’t even get what you meant by “4 nations” until boonhet pointed it out, heh.
I don’t know what you’re going on about; Earth Kings, Queens, tons of Earth Kingdom names and places (like the Forbidden Palace) are clear references to ancient Chinese history. Including the Dai Li. It doesn’t have much to do with modern China though; the Earth Kingdom never moved out of the past until it burned to the ground.
Air Nomad names are Tibetan. Tenzin. Gyatso. If those mountain temples aren’t Tibetan, I don’t know what is. And they all died to imperialist invaders, simply because they wouldn’t cooperate. They were quite traditional in their own way though (including living with sexes separated), and all we really see of their government is some kind of elder council.
The Fire Nation islands were largely ruled by regional, despotic clans until Fire Lord rather shrewdly and brutally consolidated power into a single royal lineage. Then they decided to spread the “gift” of their industrialization and culture around the world, trying to enforce a singular culture. The only thing “liberal” about them (for a time) was some social norms, like those around gender; we see a lot of female Fire nation troops in all eras, for instance, and some progressive feeling institutions within.
The Water Tribes were notoriously close-knit, traditional, conservative. I think they were more of an elder theocracy until the modern era, and even that was kind of a struggle.
Republic City was modeled after New York and Hong Kong, but TBH has a lot in common with the rest of modern China too? Some of the structures are Southeast Asian. The origin complicates things too; they were Earth Kingdom, invaded and modernized into a Fire Nation colony, who then gained their independence post-world-war.
…We have the subcultures I guess. Or the villains. Amon was basically a populist communist (and right about a lot) with some family issues, Unalaq a megalomaniac theocrat, Zaheer was an anarchist straight from db0 (who made some good points), Kuvira was kind of Tech Bro Hitler, but she also saved the Earth Kingdom from total anarchy. The context is different though. They never really have the context of those ideologies in the worlds’ history.
The references aren’t pure; the creators were clear that each place is multicultural and fictional, not an expy of a nation, but I think that makes the references more interesting.
But the whole theme of the franchise is that no one nation, no individual, no political system or movement, is really a pure good or bad. They all exist in a difficult balance with each other. So I don’t think using the four nations as some kind of “liberal analogue” is very constructive.
You’re going for the shallow likeness, I’m going for the essence. AND the creators are in a liberal environment with all of its prejudices and propaganda.
I’m not even saying the show runners are right in what they are trying to say, not that they even convey with competency what they were trying to - this right here is trashy post modernism (“people have their own truths” Yeah, like Nazis and Zionists)
What this makes clear is that you’re a liberal and I’m not. And nothing more.
Dude. I gave you the benefit of the doubt in spite of your instance. You actually succeeded only in being disappointing. Do better.
You have more faith in humanity than me. Thanks for being a good example of being a better persons.
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This happens every time I point put that losing these “old” kernel capabilities is in fact a loss.
Let them be stupid about it, all the code still exists to undo these bad decisions one day. It’ll just be more work than it would otherwise be to fix what they broke.
I put them in the same category as AI sycophants, they can’t see three feet beyond their own nose.
What exactly is the utility of the code, though? Is it so these really ancient machines stay up-to-date/secure in societal collapse or something?
I’d be sympathetic to that, but the chips this depreciates are so rare that you won’t find many to use, in that scenario… and in the rare exceptions, using an older kernel version would be fine.
How many hundreds of megabytes were saved by removing it?
Also an AMD K5 or IBM/Cyrix 6x86 might not be in your Steam Deck but that doesn’t make it a one off exception. There’s no reason we should have to use outdated software when the reason the new software doesn’t work is artificial. Apple does that kind of nonsense, Linux shouldn’t.
…You’re talking about saved megabytes being trivial, in reference to machines that have megabytes of memory in total?
It’s not about saved space anyway, it’s about support. Some features are compromised by the requirement to keep this old code, though I’m not qualified to say to what extent.
And again, who is “we?”
Who’s still using a Cyril 6x86 that isn’t doing it for personal/recreational reasons? If society collapses, how many would there be to use?
I’d be sympathetic if we were talking about, say, a Pentium 4, but just don’t buy the narrative that this is inconveniencing anyone. These things do not exist as utilitarian devices anymore. It’s not making anyone use outdated, insecure software that isn’t choosing to do so anyway.
“Trust me bro”
In your estimation clearly nobody. You’re evading the question of why they should be artificially forced to use outdated software by denying enthusiasts who want to use a kernel built by an enthusiast and then by a bunch of enthusiasts for enthusiasts exist. 🤦♂️
I’m sorry, but I have a bit more trust in the Linux kernel maintainers on the technicals of this issue than you or I.
I do know enough to know that a Cyril 6x86 is problematic to use with many modern applications. I find it hard to believe anyone using one needs a modern kernel feature for something, and any other PC is unavailable.
I mean, at the very least, I think they’d need another PC to build a custom kernel themselves? Can you even build Linux 7.1 on that system now?
Now I want to know how long it would take to compile, I might just set something up to find out.
Why don’t you support a Linux distro that runs on prehistoric hardware?
It’s very easy to spend other peoples time than offer your own for something you clearly don’t care enough about.
If you missed the comment. Previous kernel version is supported until 2035. That’s 9 more years. You need any longer than that?
Short-sighted kids are a little more common after we fired the mentors and documenters in our field: they don’t know how or why we did such dumb things before and thus can’t avoid them. It’s like how America fired all its inspectors and now suffer en masse from salmonella and explosive diarrhea from tainted food: causal.
You’re right, it’s way better.
You make it sound like no one can just go keep the older hardware alive by forking.
I love the “just fork it” argument.
Look, Elon, maybe we can’t solo a project like that if we’re still using old hardware, okay?
Sorry if that made you frown behind your shades. Ask the poolside waiter for a other cocktail.
The fairy tail of fork freedom, just the fairy tail of market freedom.
Y’all are really pathetic.
Sir, I think you are overreacting. Nobody is running a 7+ Linux Kernel on a 486 machine. Even if you have microcontrollers with a 486 instruction set, I am pretty sure they already fixed the timestamp issue, or they don’t need Linux at all since it’s an embedded application.
What are you using the old x86 timing functionality for, or rather what would it be needed for?
I’m not what I used to be