Definitely true when learning Linux, but to be fair, things do break on their own. Example: just yesterday I updated fedora and it broke my network connections for my vms. I certainly didn’t do that, and it seems to be a repeating issue.
But you wanna know what the difference is?
- A 30 second web search identified the problem and a quick edit of the network.conf text file fixed the issue.
- even if I couldn’t fix it, I could very easily roll the updates back
- this issue will get fixed for good and won’t still be lingering around for 10 years
Compare that to me updating win11 on a faster more capable computer a couple weeks ago:
- It broke like a bazillion things, well documented on the internet, no solutions other than “we’ll maybe fix that someday”
- the computer rebooted THREE times! 3! I’ve seen two-three was a new one
- it took 40 minutes on a 32 core threadripper, 64gb ram, plenty of free hard drive space, and a 4090 card. No, it wasn’t years of updates, and it wasn’t a major version update. It was maybe 1.5 months since last update.
Linux is great, not perfect, but great with great communities.
Update your Windows PC weekly and reboot once a week and that will resolve 90% or more of your issues. Updates are frequent, delaying the install can cause several problems. 1.5 months since last update is regularly an issue even in the enterprise space.
Not saying that is acceptable to most people. But best practice is to allow updates and to apply them at least once a week.
Microsoft only ships updates once a month. Did you fall into a time hole from 2001?
I guess it may be smaller updates like .NET and some drivers. .NET and most of the other smaller updates shouldn’t even need restarting, they just eat your CPU and take ages because Microsoft is silently compiling them in the background on your computer.
Nowadays, Microsoft Defender’s definitions are, for some reason, also shipped through Microsoft Update. You can get those daily or every few days, but they’re fast and won’t affect your system in any way.
Drivers usually shouldn’t be common after installing the first batch, so I doubt you’d get a lot of those in 1.5 months.
Indeed, Microsoft only ships system updates on patch tuesday, the second tuesday of the month.
So this user could only have had a max of 2 system updates, 1-2 driver updates maybe (unlikely, though), and then possibly another 1-2 .NET updates. If the user has Defender activated, add a definitions update. Keep in mind that this is basically worst case scenario. Those updates should never cause issues, be that slow, or require 3 reboots.
Microsoft does only once a month sure, but OEM vendors push firmware, drivers, and BIOS updates through Windows update whenever they want. Windows is not the only thing that requires updating.
honestly wth is windows update even doing? takes my thinkpad from 2020 about 30 min to recompile my ENTIRE nixos setup from scratch. FROM SCRATCH, freshly formatted drive, 30 minites later an entirely functional DE with all apps i need installed.
How does windows manage to take longer, on better hardware, with something that should by all account be an easier cpu task? im baffled
100% agree. The windows fanbois always come out in force and defend Microsoft, they act like the abused in bad marriages defending their dirtbag husband who beats them /shrug
It’s not a problem with my computer. I didn’t do anything “wrong”. I clean installed win 11 on its own hard drive because 1) I own a retail copy and 2) my daughter is taking the lsat test and it requires windows or macOS. The install took hours. And the part that slowed it down was the update process. Ok no big deal, it’s a new install, i mean fedora fresh installs in like 15 minutes (and most of that is me clicking buttons), but whatever. So that’s it, it’s just a clean install of win11. Every month or so, I boot it up and hit the update button. It’s painful, every time. Yes I get it’s designed to slow roll in the background but come on - if I open up settings -> windows update and hit the update now button - then get to work already. It’s always a 20+ minute process. This last one was exceptionally long, but you get my point.
And these updates are always terrible, stuff breaks right away. After the last update the lock screen was all Asian characters. The rest of the OS was fine, just the lock screen changed. Dafuq? The recycle bin contents were all like hash file names. A year or two ago an update on my wife’s laptop wouldn’t proceed because the recovery partition that win11 itself created during install was too small. All other further updates wouldn’t go either because that one was stuck. Like grandma is going to resize partitions - granny’s computer is heading towards bot ville.
Anyways ya, windows sucks big hairy donkey balls now. 50% of that suckage comes from windows update. The other 50% comes from them shoving poo in your face every chance it gets.
I never had issues on windows 11, but fuck that noise.
Ive since moved CachyOS, I’ve put in 30-60 mins a week fixing or setting up things. The recent was a random “a wedged CEF cache in the Steam client”. Im happy to pay it and i learn more of a system im part of. Im in awe of all the work already done in linux.
I mean that’s the whole deal for me. I can take it if I know I can fix it
There is no fixing microsoft
There is no fixing microsoft
But there is. People create their own fixes, configurations and utilities all the time.
By reverse engineering black box shit, then providing binaries everyone is just supposed to trust don’t also contain malware?
Yeah, because they usually don’t. One reason I started using Linux was that I started caring more about security. However, Windows tweaking apps never burned me.
And those binaries are to fix the black box shit that is subject to alteration at any time, rendering them useless.
Still
Yes, when something is forced on a person, that tends to lead to resentment. Meanwhile if a person freely chooses something, they may wonder if they chose properly.
me shily walking over to my timeshift snapshots after running
sudo chmod -R 775 /
Instead of with a dot…
Plot twist: Your snapshots were mounted when you did that and are now also very accessible.
People actually thought about that… so snapshots are read-only by design
shudders
But no I use an externall HDD docked with a… Usb dock thing whatever it’s called
That’s accessible from a USB Ubuntu… Right?
Right???
Sounds to me like you haven’t tested your backups suitably if you are asking.
I did test with a usb. I’m joking
NixOS
my system config is in git.
my home folder is in syncthing with a command to stop sync if a significant change is requested.
Sure is fucking hard to setup tho :)
Meanwhile i can’t setup a fucking web project so indexing doesn’t take 5 minutes 😭🤣
TimeShift was probably one of the most important teaching aides I had when I first started on Linux.
I’ve been on Bazzite for a couple years now, so I have no need for it anymore.
But I learned sooooo much by breaking my EndeavourOS install and then rolling back.
I’ve only had to rollback with Bazzite once so far (it’s hard to break), and it was literally just one rpm-ostree command. Love it.
I accidentally made my entire home directory executable and I only backup individual projects on my laptop since it doesnt have much valuable data. that was annoying to fix
I just moved my EXT4 home folder off of my old Cachy install onto my new NixOS install on a different drive before decided to stick with just installing a fresh CachyOS on that same drive meaning a reformatting. I had meant to just copy the files so now I basically just nuked all my data :(
Mad at myself right now as I’m seeing if i can save any data using ddrescue and DMDE
I didn’t know you couldn’t just move an encrypted partition a bit to the left. Ended up wiping out the headers without backing them up.
All my data is technically still there, I guess. ¯\(ツ)/¯
See if the headers are duplicated somewhere else on the partition (at the end or somesuch).
I tried that immediately after I realized my mistake. No such luck, unfortunately.
ok one more joke…
Linux Video Driver after an update repair starter kit
One of the reasons I love Linux, actually.
Nobody to blame but myself, so let’s start figuring this shit out I guess
You can dig as deep as you care to, all the way down to source code. And if you can’t read code, you can learn to. If you don’t want to spend the time, that’s completely reasonable. But it’s your choice.
Oh look the fstab command I didn’t fully understand has written all the NTFS indexes over the partition tables on all my hard drives… Whelp time to learn data recovery.
I feel like fucking up fstab is a rite of passage
Btw just a PSA: You don’t need to manually edit
fstabwhen there is Gnome Disks (gnome-disk-utility).
Linux Inc. does not spend billions of dollars ensuring you have no options but Linux.
It also doesn’t exist, so that helps too.
And take a look at the platinum members
My favourite Corporations are the ones that don’t exist
Dishwasher breaks a plate - heck this stupid machine Now if I break a plate – oh well, stuff happens
True freedom means responsibility. You should have the right to destroy yourself and your OS
Oh man I built my kernel and added some patches and oh boy did I fuck my install. Had to start it over, so annoying. Thankfully I had everything backed up took me an hour to get it all fixed.
Ever trigger OOM in alpine Linux in aarch64?
“Oh you broke weirdly…”
