dumb people have always bought crap. just because components are more expensive doesn’t change anything–a savvy computer user is always going to go for pre-built. i’d personally take out a loan before i bought a meta pc even if steep discounts are on the menu.
it also makes me think that all the conspiratorial talk is just talk. maybe all these companies are conspiring to raise prices so they can sell you garbage like this pathetic excuse for a pc.
but that doesn’t fit into the ‘all rich people are geniuses’ narrative. greed doesn’t require intelligence. even someone with an intense hunger and a 50 IQ is gonna try and put their hand into your burger king bag and swipe a fry or two.
I’m a bit confused by this comment. This computer is a better option than the steam machine.
Do you think that the Meta, as in Facebook meta, make this?
Wonder what percent is the chance you get it shipped with the CPU cooler plastic cover still attached
I have to ask, are META PCs affiliated in any way with Zuckerberg?
Yeah, unfortunate naming if you ask me. “Meta” is just tainted by the zuck now.
just a makeshift
Look at how humanish he is.
I regret seeing this.
No. This company actually had a legal dispute with Meta when they rebranded from Facebook: https://www.the-sun.com/tech/3983498/facebook-meta-name-trademark-battle/
No, they are a completely separate company. They have a YouTube channel as well, and I find their YouTube Shorts videos quite entertaining and informative.
Kinda weird that it has such similar specs, I would’ve expected they’d want to do something more differentiated
The size lets them use the specs to their full potential which differentiates it in terms of performance
I looked not long ago for a steamos iso… does that exist somewhere?
You are the man (or woman or whatever).
Thanks!!!
Here ya go official OS. https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/download?ver=steamdeck
I can’t see the size listed anywhere, this is just a mini itx junk box.
The steam machine from valve is just a small form factor junk box.
Seems fine for most gamers… As others have said, Steam don’t make much profit on it, and the hardware isn’t bad.
Not everyone is playing 4K titles with raytracing. And when you start considering how quickly the cost of games adds up, steam ends up cheaper fairly quickly (I can’t imagine buying 300 games on PS5 lol)
The hardware is bad. It’s a power throttled bottom of the barrel GPU and CPU. It’s a 1080p30fps machine for anything other than indies, and for most AAA gaming it will need the atrocious FSR to even get to that.
It’s not upgradable either, so it’s not like you can just swap out the GPU or CPU for a better one later.
For a machine that’s targeting the living room, where most people who might consider buying this would be wanting to use it on a big 4K TV, they’ve made the worst possible performing machine for that use case.
I’m not sure how much of a console gamer you are, or how much you keep an eye on game prices, but almost every sale on steam for games that are on consoles happens on Xbox and PlayStation too. I know because I often have to choose between buying on Xbox or Steam when there’s a sale, and the Xbox version with play anywhere is the same price as the steam one so I usually buy the Xbox one.
@MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone Im guessing you went back and looked at the reviews you thought proved your point and saw you were mistaken? 🤣
The steam machine does not run cyberpunk over 60fps at ultra settings lol.
Yeah but it has the Steam logo on it. That’s worth $1000 by itself
From the comparison I saw valve is only making ~$71 per device which honestly isn’t that much of a premium for a pre-built mini pc
I’m kinda surprised they don’t just sell it at cost. We knew they couldn’t subsidize the price with game sales, as anyone could buy this and install a different OS without ever buying a single steam game, but I kinda figured they’d bank on most people not doing that, hence selling at cost.
Maybe it’s just ~$71 margin for component costs to inflate further without the need for them to change the price.
It doesn’t really matter how much profit they’re making on it, it’s a bad deal because every other comparable low end pc is upgradable whereas the steam machine isn’t.
There’s just no reason for a locked-hardware low-end device like the steam machine to exist. Why would anyone want a non-upgradable PC, when the reason people play on PC is for the upgradability?
From what I can tell, the PC in the image is built in the Jonsbo D32 PRO MESH Black, which is listed as “D396×W207×H314mm”. However, the META PCs page says it’s built in the Jonsbo D32 Black, which doesn’t quite exist (the Jonsbo D32 models are PRO Black, PRO MESH Black, and STD Black). Thankfully, they are all the same size and the only differences are the side panel (mesh vs glass) and whether or not it has a moveable spine for variable spacing (PRO vs STD).
Though, the META PCs website should really be more specific in their specs list.
On the bottom of the page it says preorder: 1300 dollars
Ahh yes the standard volumetric measurement of dollars.
Yknow, other than the 16GB RAM (reasonable given the situation), this aint that bad, for similar specs (Ryzen 5 7600, RX 6750 XT), I paid 1100€ at most two years ago
Of course, the rest of the components also matter, as well as the VRAM difference, but could be worse anyhow
7500x3d, 5060, similar specs other wise for 1k here at MC. I don’t think 1300 is a good deal.
I’ve never eaten into more than 10GB (including OS) with games. It’s not video editing.
I think 16gb of ram is fine, especially on linux
Don’t give Zucky your buckies
Wrong META theses are completely diffrent people
Not owned by Meta. This company actually had a legal dispute with Meta when they rebranded from Facebook: https://www.the-sun.com/tech/3983498/facebook-meta-name-trademark-battle/
A legal dispute that is evidenced by the confusion between the two already in this thread. Certainly worth fighting.
It’s counterproductive to keep the name. How many consumers (like me) are going to see Meta and know anything about it? A very small number.
If I had a business called Trump Motorcycles, I would rename regardless of the history.
Why should I change my name? He’s the one who sucks.
I am good at dealing with people. Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people!?!
well that didn’t take very long
i didnt know that Meta started selling Linux PCS /j
Not that it’s a bad thing, but did anyone ever offer something like Bazzite before?
OEMs were waiting for SteamOS because it shifts the OS support to Valve instead of DIY, but I wonder if anyone tried before SteamOS was ready.
Bazzite itself has an OS image specifically for handled PCs, and even desktop Bazzite has an option to boot into game mode basically “Big Picture mode”
They’ve had this for a while
I think he means if OEMs actually sold hardware with Bazzite on it.
Iirc there’s a pre built company that offers mint, but I haven’t seen anyone offer a gaming distro.
Funny how people are like “look at what steam does for Linux” and not “look at what Linux did for steam”. Steam is not good. Sure they provide a nice game launcher and storefront, but it’s a dirty capitalist business with shitty practices and kid gambling schemes
look at what steam does for Linux" and not "look at what Linux did for steam
Both are true lowk
kid gambling schemes
looks at the age tag yeah…i don’t think so. You are no better tha parents that say “GTA IS VIOLENT!! SHUT IT DOWN, MY KIDS MAY GET HURT!!”
yeah, check out of great linux support was for videogames aside from quake mods before proton
Two things cam be true.
Hey guys there’s a ram and storage prove gouching going on because of the AI bs. Hey guys here’s a pc with an open source OS re-built for 1,000$ each. Hey guys there will be a new model next year and they might even start a subscription service next year but you’ll all buy it anyways because the price point will seem better but you’ll all bitch about the subscription service…
Fuckin’ shit.
Are you high, friend? How is any of what you wrote related to SteamOS and the GabeCube?
Am now I actually wasn’t when I wrote that. I have like a fucked up first thing in the morning agitation psychosis thing and writing down bs replies makes it fun because then I do medically smoke cannabis see what I wrote and then delete it after laughing and saying fucking shit…
It’s kind of a wild ride.
Where are you seeing that Valve is planning on making SteamOS a subscription service??
Thats about what i’ve been saying… 200 dollars more, and you get a vastly superior product over the steam machine…Which seeing as the steam machine is a luxury good, and not a budget concious/performance per dollar build… I’m perfectly okay with suggestion spending an extra 200 dollars for something markedly superior.
Pretty sure Valve thinks the same. They’d rather their ‘consoles’ establish a performance floor than a ceiling. They don’t want to make hardware - they don’t want to make an OS, it’s just what’s required to compete with Microsoft (who’s actively threatening them since they announced the Windows Store for Windows 8 and Xbox game pass at the time)
and that performance floor is heavily reliant on FSR.
Which is bad for everyone. We’re already seeing games that need FSR even at 1080p because of shit optimization. We don’t need this normalized and set as a standard.
It’s still more powerful than 70% of computers running Steam, so what’s your point?
People really need to learn to read more than the first sentence
We’re already seeing games that need FSR even at 1080p because of shit optimization. We don’t need this normalized and set as a standard.
I did read it. That doesn’t mean it was anything more than you throwing it in because it vaguely sounds like you’re making a point
The Steam Machine is more powerful than 70% of systems on Steam. That means that those 70% of systems already need to do the same tricks to get similar performance. Valve isn’t normalizing anything.
If anything, it’s putting more pressure on devs to optimize for lower-end systems by giving them a “standard” system to target for optimization. We saw the same thing happen with the Steam Deck
Most of us can get a vastly superior product than the Steam Machine for the cost of a Steam Machine.
Most of us, sure, but we’re not the target market, and it’ll be bulkier, it’ll require more work to set up, it’ll be louder or hotter, it’ll have to be optimised for gaming rather than games being optimised for it - it will trade all of the steam machine’s selling points for raw power.
Aaand they’re more powerful for the same (or even lower) price. All the people saying you can’t build anything better than the Steam Machine for the same price have been awfully quiet these last few days. I guess the memes about Valve fanboys have some truth to them.
On the other hand, the Steam Machine is smaller and needs less power, so there’s that. I don’t know if anyone cares that much, but I can appreciate very small PCs.
Can we just stop with the “these people have been awfully quiet the last few days”. Did you scour every location? Do you think people have nothing better to do than post the same shit all the time? This is some Facebook-level copium. Like when people feel they were justified when someone died or had complications due to the Covid vaccine and then people would say, “Where are all the supporters of it now…” Just stop.
SteamOS support for hardware is in beta support. https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-4227
Could other hardware work, sure. Potentially w/o issues. And yeah, it might be better in performance. But if issues crop up, is Meta PC going to resolve the problems? Is Meta going to contribute to SteamOS for driver support/bug fixes? If issues come up on the Steam Deck or Steam Machine… Valve are the ones you are going to address it, both hardware and software.
If you want to build your own machine, and run whatever OS on it, cool. Don’t try gatekeeping/shaming people because someone wants the vendors version.
Is needing less power a plus when talking about a gaming pc? The steam machine uses less power than the competition because they’ve kneecapped the SoC with power draw limits, limiting performance.
It’s not a major concern, or even a minor concern for most. But it’s still a plus. Less money spent on electricity bills (even if it’s a tiny amount), and less strain on the environment (even if it’s an even tinier difference).
And less performance.
I guess. But is anybody interested in the Steam Machine because of its performance? I’d be surprised if that was the case.
