I have to use it, it’s the corporate setup. Every day I envy plumbers who unclog toilets.
So many of these things just seem incredibly bizarre once you’re used to Linux.
Until you do a dist-upgrade and random shit breaks (:
At least that’s usually an honest mistake, instead of some managers trying to juice their numbers through dark patterns.
Unless, of course, you’re using Ubuntu. Then it might also be a manager trying to juice their numbers.
I do a yay (sudo pacman -Syu, under the hood) every two weeks or so and shit don’t break. Dunno what weird program dependencies y’all have for stuff to break so often.
In any case, if shit broke, I have snapshots of the last 5 days and last 5 upgrades. It’s automatic, not rocket science.
Dude, Arch is a rolling release, it has no dist-upgrade equivalent. You’re not even in the right conversation.
Debian, Ubuntu, … and plenty of other distros have. Just upgrading my server from Ubuntu 22 to 24 (both LTS) took an hour or two of fixing things.
You are the one that introduced a non rolling release distro in a generic Linux chain. It was generic Linux, then you did a comment specific to non rolling distros, then I did one specific to rolling distros.
I wanted to highlight the disparity of the general perception that rolling distros are annoying since they might break sometimes, with the reality that non rolling distros definitely break shit when upgrading versions.
I don’t see a problem with our comment exchange.
the general perception that rolling distros are annoying since they might break sometimes, with the reality that non rolling distros definitely break shit when upgrading versions.
Personally, I still prefer the non-rolling distros.
A rolling distro might break on any update, and you never know when.
But for non-rolling, you can wait until you have available time to deal with any issues. Sure there will be issues and things that need reconfiguring – you basically just reinstalled your whole OS. But you can choose when and if that happens, so you can schedule it for a convenient time when you’ve got time and energy to work on it if necessary.
(And, personally, I wouldn’t do the dist-upgrade thing at all. I just download the newest LTS version and install it as a fresh install, then port everything important over from backups. Nice fresh start with no old baggage hanging around. Often, I’d do that at the same time as a major hardware upgrade as well, so it’s basically a new PC.)
Then … don’t do that?
Is there something that 24 had and 22 didn’t and you just had to have that feature? If not, just stick with 22.
Or if you’re one of those who just has to have the latest of everything, you should be on a rolling release distro instead, and you won’t have this issue.
Last time I had an upgrade break my system was Windows ME
And that exact reason is why I use a distro with rolling updates
Thank god it requires enabling something my BIOS has disabled by default and I don’t need it for anything, otherwise my install of 10 would have already been turned into 11 on its own.
That happened to me, but I’m happy with CachyOS now for most things. I can’t believe how much it a step down 11 was from 10 though, it was astounding. Worse than 7 to 8, even.
Pro tip: If you must use Windows, pick Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021. Most things still run on it, and that baby’s got no user-facing slop and five more years of support in it. Mass Grave dot dev.
I put Windows 11 on it’s own hard drive, so it couldn’t corrupt the rest of the system.
For an additional layer of security, throw the hard drive into a deep lake.
Of magma or plasma, whichever is most convenient.
Pro tip: If you must use Windows, pick lobotomy
Or you could just install linux.
“If you must use Windows”
I’m a Linux user but not everyone has that privilege.
I just want everyone to have an OS that works for them, and I’m getting kinda tired of that being a hot take.
I like you.
I’m as much a nerd as the next, but I also play a lot of different games, with a lot of different people on different platforms, and that’s not feasible (yet) on anything other than windows.
I hate it, but it is what it is.
I can understand that point. But putting more effort into making windows half normal and kinda usable seems like wasting time, Its an uphill battle that you are loosing anyway at some point.
Sometimes linux is just not possible with the hardware :(
I tried my best, but neither my SP7’s touch screen or pen functionality work properly with linux (even with the linux-surface-kernel). And there’s still no good alternatives for SPs in the market either, for tablet+computer+works properly for art (at least any I could ever afford)
The Framework 12 actually seems really ideal for this, being that it has a 360 degree hinge and works properly with Linux.
It’s also expensive as fuck, but then, you can repair and upgrade it, and I’ve heard Surface tablets are an absolutely miserable experience to try repairing. So up to you if the upfront cost is worth less pain down the road.
Still not there for art, sadly. For example their pen has only half of the pressure sensitivity SPs better pens have :(
I don’t think the pen input sensitivity/features on it is suitable for pro-level artists, but I might be wrong.
That sucks :(
But how will I sub to billionaire domsss??? This is blasphemy! Burn the witch!!!
+1 massgrave. Got the extended support for my regular W10 pro. After that, it’s going to be debian if - fingers crossed - nothing breaks. It’s a 6700K build.
It’s a 6700K build.
That’s hot, are you sure you hooked up the fans?
That’s just the RGBW LED color temperature.
Going to Linux is probably the more sustainable solution (I ended up on Ubuntu and my 4130 is happy enough) but you apparently might be able to convert-in-place to the IoT edition, if that’s the route you’d prefer to go down.
thats my setup, thats the most tolerable version ATM
More like a downgrade
Damn, that never happens on my Arch Linux install.
I dual boot windows because of a few things that don’t matter too much to me, and i haven’t really figured out wine as much as i should. Anyway, i booted up windows again after like 5 months. I hated every second of it, but overall, nothing of note happened. The next day, i had to boot windows again, and when i shut it down, it gave me the option to update and reboot or update and shut down, nothing else. I should’ve just unplugged my pc, but I updated and shut it down and left my room. When i came back a few hours later, my pc was stuck in a reboot loop and i couldn’t really boot anything. Just fuck everything about windows.
If you dual boot, you need to keep the windows partition on a separate disk, otherwise it will most likely fuck your boot partition.
Honestly disconnect all other disks when installing it too. Otherwise you move your Linux disk to another computer and Windows might not boot because it decided to use the efi partition on your Linux disk
In 20 years of using Linux, I’ve only had a broken Linux four times. Four of those times, it was because of Windows being shit.
I’ve also never once been prompted to install Win11 on Neon
Is neon actually good?
Yeah it’s good.
Well, it doesn’t prompt you to install Windows 11, so that’s definitely a plus.
That bar is so low, you’d need professional tunnelling equipment to not clear it
And yet, the most used OS in the world doesn’t clear it.
Poser! A real Roman would just fall on his sword.
Really pissed because about a year ago in february it upgraded without my informed consent and I never noticed until something else bad happened. You can only downgrade if you notice within a week.
It’s real fuckin insidious, I had already reformatted my PC once too recently so I juuuust kinda toughed it out.
Anyways, they keep everything same-ish which prevents you from noticing they changed your whole OS which should be illegal.
The fact that pressing spacebar during boot can accidentally upgrade your OS tells you everything about Microsoft’s current priorities.
I accidentally “upgraded” a test machine by hitting Enter during a BIOS update prompt. The machine rebooted into Windows 11 setup, which then took 45 minutes and required a Microsoft account (or knowledge of the OOBE\BYPASSNRO trick).
If you want to block the upgrade permanently:
reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate" /v TargetReleaseVersion /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate" /v TargetReleaseVersionInfo /t REG_SZ /d "22H2" /fOr just install Linux and never worry about it again.
You misspelled Microslop
I’m deeply sorry. If it’s any consolation, it will eventually happen to everybody.
Or at least everybody that didn’t see the light and adopt The Penguin… But let’s leave religion to another time.
False. My machine officially isn’t upgradeable to W11 cause it’s too old. Also, it’s possible that LTSC doesn’t even suggest to upgrade.
Isn’t ltsc frozen in features with only security updates or something?
Yeah, that’s what I meant with my second sentence, I’m just not 100% sure there’s no upgrade path.
BSD BSD BSD. read that in a chant of course.
BTW, Arch is awesome.
( actually, i use Manjaro. but it’s based on arch. so that still counts, right?)
Oh did they renew their ssl certs so their repos work now?
Lol I cannot understand how anyone can trust those idiots at this point.
so that still counts, right?
Still counts. You now have to say you use arch every hour, otherwise you’ll implode.
Wait…does this apply to all Arch based distros? If so I haven’t been talking about it nearly enough.
please don’t go any further without mentioning you use arch, it can be dangerous!!!
I noticed this while I was using arch, btw.
Well I do use Arch
and you look marvelous! btw
And if you own a Steam Deck, you’re an Arch user. I don’t make the rules.
NGL kinda want to use arch just so I can say I use it. I feel left out.
I chose the distro for the meme, nothing else.
I used to use Arch like them, then I took an arrow to the knee.
manjaro has had a lot of drama and problems in the past and i don’t think it’s really a good distro to use. they forgot to renew their ssl certificate multiple times, they break software due to their weird update strategy (they use custom repos which hold back updates mostly arbitrarily for a week) which breaks dependencies and sometimes breaks the entire system, and their gui package manager once overwhelmed the AUR with traffic.
a better alternative with an easy gui installer would be endeavouros or cachyos. endeavour is basically manjaro except competent and with regular arch packages. cachy has its own repos (in order to build specialized versions of packages), but it keeps in sync with the regular arch repos.
though of course if manjaro is working for you that’s great and any amount of linux use is good. manjaro is just a bit temperamental. i also understand that some people can’t just distrohop, for example because they don’t have a separate home partition, or not enough space to copy important files elsewhere before wiping their partitions.
As a end user I definitely wouldn’t recommend Manjaro right now, especially with the current organization drama right now, Manjaro’s 2.0 manifesto. After they restructure themselves, it might come out as a more interesting distro, but for now it’s best to steer clear.
No, it doesn’t count. You only get BTW privileges after installing Arch at least once.
Don’t leave us hanging. What distro?
Half a dozen of them have real cost/benefits trade-offs that make preaching for a single one harmful. The other thousand are just completely useless waste of time not worth mentioning.
Hannah Montana
You can rollback easily. I’ve upgraded to Windows 11 a while ago and after 48 hours, I rolled back to 10. But this is how I will feel like in October.
And no, Linux is NOT an option for me, at least for my main PC. My laptop gets Linux, as there I don’t do stuff, that isn’t running under Linux. But I still hope that Microslop does something good and fix their shit.
What’s limiting you to windows?
First would be programming and second gaming. Not all my games I own, do work with ProtonDB and with programming, well parts we use, don’t work with Linux. We tried. Its probably just figuring out the right settings but spending several hours tweaking everything, in the hope to get it properly running, isn’t worth it, when it all runs on Windows out of the box.
I’m surprised you’ve managed to find a way to program that doesn’t work far better on Linux than on Windows. I ended up having to use WSL at work because Windows was so obnoxious (and they don’t allow anything else on the intranet).
Yes, the software I use is heavily connected within Windows. Old versions where developed for MacOS and Linux, but they dumped that for quite some time. They even use sub .NET5 as framework. Even our customers are pissed with Windows 11, as they now all upgrade or already upgraded. For SSL key stuff, I do use WSL as well, as I couldn’t really got it working under Windows.
When you really want to know what pain is, try working with their admin panels. I did learn some basic Windows Server stuff but their admin panels… all Windows OSes are childs play. I would rather use Windows 8 (not 8.1) or Vista, as this shit. And the joke is, we don’t use the complicated stuff. Office, Visual Studio and Teams (well we do need some meeting software and if we have Teams, why not using it?). Office is a requirement, as our document/archive/CMS system only has an plugin for Word under Windows. We tried switching, but outside the IT department, no one, even the CEO, took some time to test alternatives, that they feel comfortable to use. For building our software, I actually want to look if there is a better solution but no time and a massive backlog. We need to argue a lot with our CEO, when we mention we change some of the operation stuff.
But hey, there is some good things. I convinced the company to use a Linux Server for some stuff. Inside the IT, we can and do switch stuff, when it benefits our workflow but outside, nobody is interested, even though it could make stuff so much easier. We did installed a test system and gave everyone access but nobody tested it.
In my case, my GPU (Nvidia 1060 something) has problems with Linux, games don’t run as well as on Windows by a huge margin.
Odd, I’ve found that anything 970 or newer has good support.
1060 may be some weird exception. But I have found the same issues with a gtx 670, badly implemented drivers from nvidia and the open source one can’t even properly render. But it’s a 12y old card or something, so I’m not really surprised.
Fear and ignorance
Not OP, and i main linux on all fronts, but still have to have a few windows machines around:
There are still some viable gaming reasons, There’s still software like blue iris and corporate crap (Outlook, Office and you need to collaborate with office users). There are Adobe products, Autodesk products.
You can try to play swapsies with things here and there, but sometimes it’s more work than it’s worth and sometimes you’re straight up not allowed to swap.
Oh I absolutely agree, I was just curious
ITT: people giving unasked for advice to a comic on a comedic community because they simply cannot help themselves.
Linux users aren’t known for their impulse control.
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
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