oh no a 24 hour ban!
idk how this is hypocrisy, you got plenty of responses for some of the lowest effort trolling i’ve seen
oh no a 24 hour ban!
So they didn’t do the worst censorship they could possibly do. But it is still censorship.
I know, it’s absolutely tragic, the sacred flame of truth extinguished by the sinister, authoritarian mods, controlling the unwashed masses of users by keeping them ignorant of such enlightened comments as, “lol hexbear sux.”
it was a joke, as is calling a 24h ban for intentional trolling ‘censorship’
Censorship is like most “bad” things in that when it happens to bad people it is actually a completely good thing, like multiplying two negative numbers
And yet here you are, continuing to take the bait. Y’all just can’t help yourselves 😂
Posting this image on a reply that you weren’t involved in is the funniest projection possible
Man I have no idea wtf is going on inside that head of yours, but I’m glad you’re having fun with whatever the fuck this is.
banning someone for 24h for obvious trolling is way less authoritarian than whatever rimu’s up to
What’s the “PPB” list?
PPB is “Pig Pooping on Balls.” One of hexbear’s favorite reaction photos is a pig with testicles so large they stick out back, and the pig literally has some of its own poop resting on its gargantuan balls.
So I guess they have a list of users they see as helpless, ignorant pigs. Delightful bunch, those hexbears.
This is so on point for hexbear
They don’t seem to realize how unhinged they are
They fully realize how unhinged they are. Back when it was r/chapotraphouse they would convince chuds trying to debate them to show their dicks. They don’t respect online discourse generally and especially with those they see as bad faith.
It’s mostly bots and a few psyops employees, imo.
On the off chance you’re not simply pulling that out of your ass, point out a single unlabeled bot, the admins of most instances will ban them and look very hard at continued federation with an instance that permits that.
But come on, we both know you made that up.
Heh, someone downvoted you as if they think you made that up. Can’t blame them for that assumption.
🤷 who cares? Obviously it’s the list that anyone that dares speak against the CCP goes on
It’s a joke that went over OP’s head.
He came to Hexbear to sling shit and get banned so that he’d have something to whine about.
One user, recognizing the irony, made a joke about Hexbear having it’s own list. A mod thought the joke was funny and decided to commit to the bit by putting it in the modlog, while also limiting it to a 24 hour ban.
That way, he got the ban he went looking for and he gets to make this post, but he also looks completely ridiculous whining about it to anyone paying attention.
I was giggling at just the 📝 reply when I originally saw the thread.
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Lemmy is a lot weirder of a place when you start to realize instances are like virtual nation-states and the admin teams are ALL despotic auth-rulers with the temperaments of toddlers.
I feel like this is an overly extreme take. Coming off of being on reddit for years I am astounded on a day to day with just how much I can actually get away with saying on Lemmy and expressing myself here. I find myself continuously reflecting on the fact that even in my most liberal (in the literary sense) takes with others, I’m still holding back, sugarcoating, or discounting things as “worth saying” at least 30% of the time. I don’t know what’s going on over on piefed, but Lemmy as a whole has been the opposite of authoritarian censorship for me. I’ve never felt more outspoken in an online presence.
are like virtual nation-states and the admin teams are ALL despotic auth-rulers with the temperaments of toddlers
So just like the big ones minus the capitalistic machine…
People fail to understand that exactly this is the concept of a federation. You only agree on a few things, in this case the software, everything else, however, is fully individual.
Federation is not the solution here. The only solution that would work is peer to peer - no hosts at all, pure anarchy.
Is there such a place?
I suspect I wouldn’t like it but I’d like to see it in action
There is. It’s filled to the brim with nazis, cryptobros and spam
Assuming it is actually usable
For real. I can’t even keep up with what db0’s weird ass mod stances are. I just wanna look at memes and chat with people
db0 seems fixated on complex governance arrangements. We get it. You’re an anarchist. Amazing.
I’m not even an anarchist, I just wanted a somewhat populated instance with less down time than world. The political ideation of the more hardcore members of db0 certainly seems like a pipedream more than a realistic plan for government (or lack thereof). But hey, I’ll take hate for consolidated political power over bootlicking any day.
I agree, but thats not really what im getting at.
Theres this Fediverse Anarchist Flotilla which is supposed to be like an alliance of instances with shared rules and commitments and whatever. It just seems completely unnecessary to me.
Its like… 5 people catch up every week to drink beer and watch a movie. Its great and everyone enjoys it. Then one guy says you need a chairperson, and rules, and a secret handshake, and a versioning system for the rules, and a documented arrangement with some other guys who do the same thing at someone else’s house, and your own crypto coin for donations, and all the things.
Its all unnecessary.
Its an elective (voluntary) federation.
Within a framework designed for and around federating.
So analagously, consider maybe a set of countries that agree to a mutual trade agreement.
Instead of a multiplicity of bilateral negotiations, you have a collective group mechanism for dispute settlement, or maybe steering and implementing a new or revised regional strategy.
Or, to drop the analogy down to the more mundane and practical:
Instead of you and 5 of your friends all texting each other seperately, to figure out the carpool schedule for next week… you all just have a group chat for this.
This can seem unnecessary when scales are small.
Then maybe you happen to scale up, and then you find that the old way of doing things is actually very chaotic and confusing, and has a whole bunch of serious flaws.
Then you look back at the goobers that did all that seemingly at the time pointless extra work, and call that foresight.
I guess the metaphors break down in considering the mass of “governance structure” in the context of the stuff that requires governance.
IMO, the FAF is a top heavy absurdity. A layer of governance that serves no purpose.
Whether or not it’s foresight remains to be seen.
anarcho-pragmatism, lol
this shit seems to suck at least a little bit less than most other shit, therfore, join the anarchist instance
unironically i love this
the astronaut meme but its ‘wait that is how almost everything ever has worked this whole time?’
lemmy just fundamentally attempts to accept that that is basically how people work, when you boil things down and remove the rationalizations, and tries to provide mechanisms to manage this somewhat less insanely.
Our admins are lovely but severely overworked. Most admin teams I’ve interacted with are kind but overladen. Some are definitely emotionally stunted but I definitely wouldn’t establish that as a rule
Who’s Rimu?
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gross, a piefed link.
it’s funny. back when the mass exodus happened from lemmy to piefed I called out how cultish the community sounded and how the users seemed to be kind of toxic. they protected piefed like it was “special”.
of course I was downvoted, expectantly.
doesn’t seem I was too far off the mark tbh…
He’s the piefed dev.
Piefed is a 1 to 1 replacement for lemmy, compatible with other fediverse things.
I joined a piefed instance specifically to move away from the lemmy devs.
Now it turns out the piefed dev is a petulant fief lord.
As is tradition.
I should do that as well honesty
The developer of piefed. Tankies hate him for obvious reasons.
I figured it was the Piefed or similar creator given the context. Just wasn’t sure. Part of the reason I switched from lemmy world to Piefed social
I switched for the post combining feature.
I love the way sometimes it’s “fuck him and everything he stands for!” and other times “damn straight, I stand with him for the things he stands for!”
Sometimes the Tankies claim they stand with X because X opposes Y, but then if anybody mentions all the times X stood with Y and all the times X said things they clearly don’t stand for, then they have no response but “you’ve been brainwashed by the media”.
I switched specifically because tankies are pissy about piefed.
I literally wouldn’t have had any interest if not for the one two punch of the above, plus the cunty moderation antics of Dessalines et. al. on .ml.
Trash taking itself out lol
Lemmy.ml can’t help just proving people’s points lol
Piefed literally has social credit score lol. The dude in charge is a nanny who thinks the users aren’t wise enough to do their own blocking. There’s been a shit ton of drama surrounding that dork in recent weeks, and all he’s done is dig in.
I would engage with you on your instance, but i appear to have been banned on .ml
I highly suspect that you will have a long leash here, and will be allowed to say just about whatever you want.
Consider that the source of your consternation is that you do not appreciate piefed’s Tit, for .ml’s Tat.
but i appear to have been banned on .ml
Uhhh, yeah you were making threats on people’s lives lol
I highly suspect that you will have a long leash here, and will be allowed to say just about whatever you want.
Bruh, you yourself just had your leash yanked on .world
What are you even talking about? Rimu is an authoritarian is the point.
I stand by every syllable.
But just for funzies, I will take you to task, and get you to explain with precision how “I” would be the source of the death threat, if the Russian Military sent an underperforming troll to the front line?
Are you suggesting that I have the power to get the Russian Military to press a troll into service?
If a Russian troll gets sent to fight in Ukraine, they would get a personalized drone visit.
Those are just facts.
Bruh, you yourself just had your leash yanked on .world
Yes. And?
Here are other “Threats” and “racist” and “hateful” facts that get deleted on .ml:
Stalin was actually a very bad man who executed a lot of Russians.
The net immigration/defection trend during the Cold War, was people fleeing from the Warsaw Pact, and not to the Warsaw Pact.
Your comments here will likely stay up here, while .ml moderation demands that Stalin be venerated, and that Putin’s Cold War revivalist bullshit is just peachy keen.
The designation of .ml feels inaccurate. It should be .mS for marxist Stalinist. Capital S for Stalin, and just a little m for Karl, based on the reality of how .ml actually is.
cold warrior got a temp ban on two comms, not the instance (and it’s already expired) for calling people you don’t like russian.
k.
This feels like a word salad.
I think you were trying for some sort of gotcha or zinger.
I’m feeling generous, so good ahead and pretend im flustered for a bit.
Bask in your cleverness.
Well, the Lemmy devs have stated that their goal isn’t to design a system that scales well and it shows. Part of it is that there may be a future where there are too many new users for a mod team to handle, especially if the barrier for signing up is extremely low.
You’d think a bunch of self proclaimed communists would support someone cloning software for free. Hexbear is such a joke.
Hexbear was a fork of Lemmy that was merged back into the main build, which sh.it.just.works runs on. You are using their cloned software for free right now. That’s obviously not their issue.
That’s obviously not their issue.
Perhaps if we were talking about sane individuals with consistent beliefs, but these people are hypocrisy incarnate. Years of being isolated in a cult environment has rotted their brains into what you see here.
No, I’m pointing out you’re objectively incorrect, you can’t just go “but they’re soooo crraaaaaazy!” and pretend it validates your opinion you stupid little child.
You didn’t state any objective facts other than stating it was a fork of lemmy. For someone who considers themselves to have such an elevated intellect, I’m surprised you didn’t realize that.
For entirely correct reasons, as usual
It’s not like Rimu is helping his situation by making a complete ass of himself as of late.
That’s probably true, but it’s worth noting that not all of the Rimu controversy is coming from tankies. I’m arguably pretty “moderate” for the fediverse and I and many others like me also find their conduct and software worthy of concern.
The way I see it, our options are this:
Lemmy, a neutral software developed and ran by people with some questionable politics that they keep separate from but hosted on Lemmy.
Or Piefed, a software with ideology built directly into it developed by people with probably much more palatable politics (for me at least) but who believes said politics should be systemic in the fediverse.
Tbh, I don’t 100% love either of these options, but I have no interest in trading overbearing corporate nannys for a homegrown farm-to-table nanny. I’m an adult, I don’t need or want somebody else dictating sensibilities for me.
So Lemmy it is.
Rimu is GOAT.
Fuck if I know lol, I don’t really keep up with all of the fediverse drama
I got banned from memes.ml cuz I kept saying how fucking stupid some of the shit they said was
yeah same. got banned for a few and decided it was actually quite nice then set up an instance block for .ml.
real leftists aren’t bootlickers for anyone.
“Real leftists” lol
unless it was on a different account i don’t think you got banned at all. i see one comment that got removed for ‘be respectful’ cause you were saying that peoples view on china was without nuance and a sub-middle school orientation. essentially showing up to argue against a caricature.
the mistake was going into .ml posts, i avoid all 3 tankie posts of any kind.
I got banned from Some science memes communality because I made a racist joke
We are not the same
I had a dude in a ScienceMemes post try to argue that being gay is a choice, just like buying a car. He wasn’t banned. Odd how that works.
Lol good
I don’t know who this is but I’m here for the tea
Something something Boston tea party
The full saga, from latest to the start
https://quokk.au/c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com/p/904933/rimu-mass-bans-users
https://quokk.au/c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com/p/895858/piefed-dev-rimu-bans-user-from-matrix
https://quokk.au/c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com/p/876791/fediverse-piefed-social-mod-throws-insults-then-blocks-replies
https://quokk.au/c/fediverse@piefed.social/p/863935/feddit-org-pushes-falsified-screenshot-portraying-dbzer0-as-nazis-bans-users-for-questioning
https://quokk.au/c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com/p/864153/feddit-org-deleted-post-for-providing-evidence-of-misinformation
https://quokk.au/c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com/p/863853/banned-from-feddit-org-for-arguing-against-libelous-statements-calling-others-nazis
https://quokk.au/c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com/p/852253/serinus-is-now-policing-the-lemmy-world-announcement-about-defederating-with-dbzer0
me watching the constant mill of fediverse drama between hexbear/piefed/world/dbzer0 from a tiny irrelevant instance
The funny part is that as a db0 user, I haven’t even really seen the drama. I’ve seen people talking about the drama, but the only thing I’ve directly seen has been when the db0 admins got banned. Which seemed pretty funny on a petty level, but also raises a lot of questions about whether or not they’d still be able to effectively moderate if they’re banned from instances that their users are still interacting on.
Like if piefed were to ban a db0 admin, could that db0 admin still see (and take action) when a piefed user is causing trouble on db0? Does the ban hide piefed users, and potentially allow them to break db0 rules with impunity? Or inversely, piefed would have no right to complain about db0 users causing trouble on piefed communities if the db0 admins can’t see it to take action. If I were to go post something bad on piefed, could the db0 admins see it to take action against me? I’m honestly not sure how the mod tools would work in that instance, especially if the ban prevents the banned admin from seeing the offending posts in either direction.
I’m not saying instance admins should have carte blanche to do whatever they want without risk of getting banned. But banning an admin should probably be considered more heavily than simply banning a regular user, especially if you’re still planning on remaining federated with that instance.
I can see an argument being made that an admin ban should automatically defederate the admin’s instance, unless the mod tools still allow the banned admin to police their own users. But even then, allowing the banned admin to circumvent the ban using mod tools runs the risk of completely defeating the purpose of the ban. Because it would essentially allow the banned admin to evade (or at least partially evade) the ban by falling back to the mod tools instead. For instance, what if an admin was banned for stalking or harassing a user, but the admin tools still allow the banned admin to stalk and harass that user? In that case, the banning instance has made a good faith attempt to protect their user from the banned admin, and the built-in tools are preventing that action from being effective. Or inversely, what if one instance admin bans another, to attempt to hide their activities on the banned admin’s home instance? If the db0 admin is banned from piefed, can they still see piefed users who interact with db0 communities? If not, that could easily be abused to enable brigading/raiding/takeovers/etc.
It’s a tricky game of push and pull. One side of me wants to say that banning an instance admin shouldn’t prevent them from seeing your instance at all, because you’re still federated. Stop them from posting or commenting as a regular user, but still allow them to do admin things like police their users’ comments. After all, if you’re still federated, they should be fully able to police their own users. If db0’s admin can’t see activity on piefed, piefed loses the right to complain when db0 users cause trouble on piefed.
But that runs the risk of making bans seem pointless, and would push admins towards defederation instead. Especially since basically anyone can spin up an instance and become their own admin. And (at least in my mind) defederation should be a last resort, not a first choice. Because defederation has the potential to affect vast swaths of the fediverse, not just the admin directly.
Banned admins can still see instance users from the instance that banned them, but in lemmy at least our moderation actions get silently dropped. I don’t know if that’s true of piefed, but if it is, it means that any malicious users from other instances we handle won’t be moderated when viewed by piefed. E.g a spammer’s posts would still remain visible on their side
Same. I spun up a PieFed instance just for little ol’ me, but this drama is way beyond me
Does your instance have open signups? I’m pretty tired of the assumptions people make about me due to db0
Can join ours. Not small, but completely neutral - no drama, no defederation, no prejudice towards the users.
Personal choice is paramount here. Crafted with love, peacefully housing people all across the political spectra.
i would join but i’m a fucking drama magnet. like, i can read a book in the back seat of my car and if anyone is going to get hit and runned in the parking lot, it’s me.
Join feddit.org - a public charity/NGO, based in vienna, working for the fediverse.
me asf
same here, i tried to understand the dbzero/pefed drama, its all tankies trying argue with the ADMINS how thier misinformation harrasments, and peddling isnt what they claim, but they would not be so kind in return. that staments users was up to something a few months ago with the piefed admins, i assume he leans into tankie territoriy. its the same as arguing with conservatives since they are a mirror image, had enough of propaganda on reddit to ignore this.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Lmao. There’s so many layers to this.
The replies to my comment on that post are my favorite. Truly zero self awareness.
The fact that you think the replies weren’t self aware is the funniest part of all this.
Like, you actually think they just randomly decided to describe banning you (for 24 hours btw) as “putting you on a list” under a post about a banlist, and it wasn’t an intentional reference?
If you actually stopped and thought about it for like two seconds, you’d get the joke, but you’re so caught up in your original thought of, “I’ll get myself banned to show how hypocritical they are” that you missed it completely.
Oh look, another butthurt ml. The fact that I got all of the ml replies at midday in China seems pretty telling
“Everyone who disagrees with me is dishonest and Chinese”
Lmao.
Hey, did you know that Hexbear literally has a clock saying the time in Moscow? Clearly, those Russian bots are just so dumb they don’t realize what a dead giveaway it is! Zero self awareness!
The anti-communist trolls are not sending their best, folks.
Good dunk bro, I’m so pwned
That would be funny if it weren’t true.
The fact that I got all of the ml replies at midday in China
it’s like 8pm in china right now, how is that midday
Details
Ah, drama I’m not chronixally online enough to understsnd.
Apparently there was an argument that resulted in piefed mods banning all leftists instances, including myself…
Ah, so basically the same problem there is on Reddit with power-tripping mods that manage several subreddits.
At least it’s federated so being banned in one instance and its communities doesn’t keep you from joining or making similar communities in your own instance, or joining a different instance
Don’t you understand, the Fediverse is serious business!
Lemmy is a reddit-style forum framework on the fediverse. People clone a copy and launch their own instances which can communicate with each other, so that no one person can rule over it.
So theres these guys who want China to win a nuclear war and the enslavement of trans people into labor camps, Lemmy ML and Hexbear. They are the Lemmy Developers and all money for lemmy development goes to them.
Then theres this Rimu dude who started development of PieFed which is just another framework to do the same exact thing that Lemmy does and they communicate with each other flawlessly, which makes the Tankies super duper angry because they wanted you to fund their autocratic ideology and help them spread propaganda.
The reason so many people are so involved in this is that you’re either on a Lemmy based instance or a PieFed based instance, so this does directly impact everyone here reading this.
incorrect: my instance is just the admin manually reading and outputting bits furiously, like the telegraph operator in Lucky Luke
Ohhh shit, thanks for updating me on the whole situation. Guess I’ll have to take a look at Lemmy and PieFed, and their devs, and see where I want to stand lol
I’m convinced Hexbear exists only as an instance blocking tutorial for new lemmy users.
Okay but this is funny.
Like it was a 24hr ban.
Oh, I’m not actually irritated about it, I just couldn’t find a better place to post it lol. I got a good laugh about it and I figured posting it somewhere would lead to more laughs from the tankies
Are you still here?
Yes
There’s always !tankiejerk@piefed.social and !MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works
Meanwhileongrad! That’s what I was trying to think of earlier and I was totally blanking! Thank you!
No sane person would be mad about not being able to interact with Tankies.
and these are the same people mad over rimu blocking and banning tankies from piefed. i look at all those posts why he was banning people.
So wait, a guy who sucks made a thing I don’t use and if I complain about him he’ll ban me from using it?
That’s a long road to a big pile of “who gives a fuck?”
You can’t debate a takie. Debating them is like hitting a head against the wall. The best you can do is to purge them out
Or become the wall they hit their heads against
True. It’s actually insane how they’re utterly convinced they’re right, while at the same time, they’re unable to process certain information at all.
i loved how all i have to do is read the modlog for people talking about wanting to ‘purge’ ‘takies’[sic] and it’s shit like this:
Yeah. They disagreed with me, so labeled me as Nazi transphobe and removed posts/banned me immediately. This is tankie mentality. There’s no point in arguing with them
Suck my girldick fuckwad, lmao
It always gets personal when you’re out of arguments. I can see the pattern here.
these aren’t even ‘tankie’ instances and i can see your transphobic comment right there in the modlog.
“Woke stuff doesn’t sell” = Transphobe
Yeah sure.
actually i meant this one:
also here’s you shittalking after renee good got executed; fuck ice and you’re clearly on their side
@Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com this is the kinda person you have agreeing with you about how bad ‘takies’ are
I literally do not give a shit about your opinion, nor the other dude’s opinion that you drudged up. @ing me in this is pathetic.
You’re losing
not as pathetic as making multiple posts crying about getting a 24 hour ban (it expires in an hour) for posting low-effort bait.
i’m just highlighting that some of the people eagerly supporting you ‘owning the tankies’ are pro-ice transphobes, talking about wanting to purge them.
if you actually care about authoritarianism i’d expect you to be a little more concerned about those sort of people surrounding you.
actually i meant this one:
So am I allowed to say that there are only two genders or not? The whole thing is obviously relating to JKR and backlash after what she said. Are you people that dense?
also here’s you shittalking after renee good got executed; fuck ice and you’re clearly on their side
Did she not barricade the way with her car? Did she not try to escape almost running over the ICE guy?
And assuming ICE is full Nazi: Tell me is it smart thing to come swinging against fully armed SS? Yes or NO. Very simple question.
You are allowed to say whatever stupid transphobic shit you want, and to complain loudly and stupidly about the extremely predictable consequences like you’re doing
Yes or NO. Very simple question.
i’m not here to debate you about how much people should respect the gestapo, officer
Shocking: Person saying trans people dont exist gets mad when they get called a transphobe.
