I’m not whitewashing Russia’s actions, I’m explaining why the war happened. You, in the face of overwhelming evidence of the ethnic cleansing campaign initiated by the Banderites in Kiev, called it “BS propaganda” despite all being from western sources. Russia is not genocidal, and they are not the more progressive side in the war simply because they aren’t the US, but because they are stopping an ethnic cleansing campaign and undermining imperialism.
Someone else recently said it better, but here I go: Russia brought war and death and genocide to Ukraine starting in 2014, when there was generally peaceful civilian life and normal political discourse beforehand.
Ukranians quite consistently voted for EU integration and moving away from russia’s sphere of influence… they wanted it, and they did not want russia. No guns necessary, just an increasingly well educated and inspired population. Russia sent guns instead.
Incorrect. The west brought war, death, and genocide to Ukraine by couping the democratically elected Yanukovych and placing far-right Banderites in power, who slaughtered civilians in the Maidan Massacre, then murdered 13,000+ civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk for breaking away from the new Neo-Nazi regime. The only genocide in Ukraine is the one committed against ethnic Russians by the Kiev regime.
Yanukovych went for the Russian loan because it didn’t require austerity measures that the IMF loan did. Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe and has been utterly looted by the west. Education has nothing to do with it, it’s the west plundering Ukraine and couping democratically elected presidents.
He went against what the people wanted, and the platform upon which he was elected, and protests ensued. Killings, more protests, lost political and police support, and he ran away with his tail between his legs to mama russia.
He abandoned office, and lost his position for it. New elections, new chance. Except for russia. Yawn.
This is largely the mythology built around the event. The actual decision to go with the Russian loan was absolutely better, as Ukraine is now even more immiserated than before (even pre-2022). This also doesn’t justify letting neo-Nazis run Ukraine and ethnically cleanse Donetsk and Luhansk, who both voted democratically to join Russia.
You are falling back to that lie? In short: Yes, ukraine had and surely still has some neonazis, but the far right parties barely make a dent. So no, they are not the government. You are starting to go around in circles. Perhaps you should take a seat.
DPR and LHR are the result of the first russian invasion, and no fair elections were possible. They were in violation of the minsk agreements, had ad-hoc voter lists, the election bodies were created by armed groups, and there was no judiciary or electoral oversight. In short: they were illegitimate and the result was almost certainly predetermined.
There’s no lie, I already provided a mountain of evidence proving that Banderites run Ukraine. Unless, of course, the BBC is “Russian propaganda.” DPR and LPR are a result of the neo-Nazis taking over Kiev, and couping Yanukovych, who DPR and LPR supported (as shown by the electoral map I provided earlier). Kiev broke the Minsk agreements as well. The elections are legitimate, you’re inserting your fanfiction to continue justifying to yourself that supporting Nazis is okay for you to do.
I’m not whitewashing Russia’s actions, I’m explaining why the war happened. You, in the face of overwhelming evidence of the ethnic cleansing campaign initiated by the Banderites in Kiev, called it “BS propaganda” despite all being from western sources. Russia is not genocidal, and they are not the more progressive side in the war simply because they aren’t the US, but because they are stopping an ethnic cleansing campaign and undermining imperialism.
Someone else recently said it better, but here I go: Russia brought war and death and genocide to Ukraine starting in 2014, when there was generally peaceful civilian life and normal political discourse beforehand.
Ukranians quite consistently voted for EU integration and moving away from russia’s sphere of influence… they wanted it, and they did not want russia. No guns necessary, just an increasingly well educated and inspired population. Russia sent guns instead.
Incorrect. The west brought war, death, and genocide to Ukraine by couping the democratically elected Yanukovych and placing far-right Banderites in power, who slaughtered civilians in the Maidan Massacre, then murdered 13,000+ civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk for breaking away from the new Neo-Nazi regime. The only genocide in Ukraine is the one committed against ethnic Russians by the Kiev regime.
Yanukovych went for the Russian loan because it didn’t require austerity measures that the IMF loan did. Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe and has been utterly looted by the west. Education has nothing to do with it, it’s the west plundering Ukraine and couping democratically elected presidents.
He went against what the people wanted, and the platform upon which he was elected, and protests ensued. Killings, more protests, lost political and police support, and he ran away with his tail between his legs to mama russia. He abandoned office, and lost his position for it. New elections, new chance. Except for russia. Yawn.
This is largely the mythology built around the event. The actual decision to go with the Russian loan was absolutely better, as Ukraine is now even more immiserated than before (even pre-2022). This also doesn’t justify letting neo-Nazis run Ukraine and ethnically cleanse Donetsk and Luhansk, who both voted democratically to join Russia.
You are falling back to that lie? In short: Yes, ukraine had and surely still has some neonazis, but the far right parties barely make a dent. So no, they are not the government. You are starting to go around in circles. Perhaps you should take a seat.
DPR and LHR are the result of the first russian invasion, and no fair elections were possible. They were in violation of the minsk agreements, had ad-hoc voter lists, the election bodies were created by armed groups, and there was no judiciary or electoral oversight. In short: they were illegitimate and the result was almost certainly predetermined.
There’s no lie, I already provided a mountain of evidence proving that Banderites run Ukraine. Unless, of course, the BBC is “Russian propaganda.” DPR and LPR are a result of the neo-Nazis taking over Kiev, and couping Yanukovych, who DPR and LPR supported (as shown by the electoral map I provided earlier). Kiev broke the Minsk agreements as well. The elections are legitimate, you’re inserting your fanfiction to continue justifying to yourself that supporting Nazis is okay for you to do.
This is impressive energy for a position that still hasn’t crossed the non-sequitur gap. 🤣
There’s been no non-sequitors here, you’ve just failed to prove any of your assertions or disprove mine.