• GigaFlop@kbin.social
    2035·
    10 months ago

    Technically false
    Gamer here, use Linux cause proton is good and I’m fed up with windows lol

    • Octopus1348@lemy.lol
      721·
      10 months ago

      This is probably an old meme. I use Linux as a dedicated gaming OS, macOS for everything else except when Linux is already booted or nothing is and I want to do something quickly.

        • JayleneSlide@lemmy.world
          1·
          10 months ago

          In my case, Inventor and AutoCAD. I hate AutoDesk with the fury of a thousand suns, but FreeCAD just isn’t stable enough.

          Oh, and currently needing .NET automatic source generation (long story), which is very difficult to develop on anything other than Windows.

      • cyberpunk007@lemmy.world
        5·
        10 months ago

        I use Windows only when a certain game has a quirk in Linux. Everything else is Linux. Video editing, photo editing, gaming, browsing, etc

    • Camelbeard@lemmy.world
      272·
      10 months ago

      I kind of really dislike the notion that you only use Linux because you are too poor for Apple.

      I don’t use Apple because I don’t like to be stuck in a walled garden where a company decides what’s best for me.

      I know it’s just a meme, but I think too many people actually think Linux is somehow inferior to Apple (MacOS) while I think it’s the other way around.

      • okamiueru@lemmy.world
        171·
        10 months ago

        Also. MacOS is absolute garbage. I’ve used it for 4 months now, and it pisses me off how inconsistent it is, and poorly designed and written. Two days wasted because of an almost bricked laptop because the monitor was set to 60Hz while installing an update. Just think about that.

        I also had the misfortune of booting into windows after changing a motherboard. It was an absolute shit show there too, with broken drivers. Two hours of debugging. Had to use a long ethenet cable to even start fixing it, a flashback to a Linux experience I had in 2007.

        Same system in Linux? Not a single second spent. WiFi drivers, microcode. Everything worked fine. Only thing necessary was fixing the grub/mbr partition that Windows decided to write over, on a separate drive. But that’s also Microsoft being shit.

        People just don’t know how much more usable Linux is these days. Especially for power users. You can do so many things, so easily, that either works out of the box, or you can do with simple scripting. The only issue is software availability, but that too is mostly a thing of the past, and not really a fault of the OS.

        • greencactus@lemmy.world
          71·
          10 months ago

          Yes, I agree. Just holy cactus, MacOS is just so bad these days. The inconsistency us driving me nuts. Why do the windows you open with the “help” menus inside of apps have small buttons? Why do some apps (e.g. Music) have a Search entry on the left side, and why do so have it on the left? Why do we still have tons of icons for system apps (Photo Booth, I’m looking at you) who have been programmed in a time where there have been dinosaurs around and seem to have never changed? … And so on. Like honestly, MacOS is so much better that Windows (which admittedly isn’t hard), but when I open up my good ol’ Fedora I dont have the feeling that I see a new shiny operating system, and when I click on a wrong button I am in the 1990-s again. Or 2050-s. Or God knows where. Linux has its unique set of challenges, but I fully agree that the notion that “MacOS is better than the rest” just isn’t true anymore. Maybe it was, when Linux distributions were worse and there was more money put into bugfixing OS releases. But not anymore.

      • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
        42·
        10 months ago

        I kind of really dislike the notion that you only use Linux because you are too poor for Apple.

        It’s supposed to be funny 🤷 😂, like a very simplified version of how things actually are.

      • nsfw_alt_2023@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        53·
        10 months ago

        You’re confusing iOS, where you are in a walled garden, with macOS, where you can just do whatever the hell you want (There’s a recovery partition you can boot to where you can disable just about every bit of security that’s not hardware much like booting to grub in Linux)

        • Camelbeard@lemmy.world
          11·
          10 months ago

          You’re right, although I wouldn’t be surprised that at some point MacOS will have a mandatory app store to protect you.

        • Victor@lemmy.world
          23·
          10 months ago

          snap windows to the edge of their screens

          While it’s not a feature out of the box, there is software to add this functionality to macOS. But… same on Linux. You need to install that software if you want the feature. (Gnome/i3/other choice with this functionality.) So 🤷‍♂️

          • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            10 months ago

            The most popular software to do that is proprietary and you have to buy it. For Apple you are only a demi-sentient wallet and they are constantly trying to dry you up. I hate that with a passion.

            • Victor@lemmy.world
              2·
              10 months ago

              Okay. Is that software owned by Apple, you mean? Or only available through their store?

              What about the next, or second next popular software to do that? All proprietary and cost money?

              Just curious.

    • firecat@kbin.social
      534·
      10 months ago

      Not good enough for DRM games, most mmo games or playing on private servers in minecraft or something.

      • Secret300@sh.itjust.works
        35·
        10 months ago

        What’s are you talking about with Minecraft? I’ve always been able to joins any server cause it’s the same game.

        • _hovi_@lemmy.world
          23·
          10 months ago

          Yeah plenty of actual examples for games that don’t work / work well on Linux. Minecraft is not on that list

        • firecat@kbin.social
          225·
          10 months ago

          Private servers not official Microsoft ones you login on the game. A server that isn’t connected by Microsoft organization in the Minecraft community. That’s the private server im talking about.

          • Metz@lemmy.worldEnglish
            32·
            10 months ago

            I play Minecraft without any problem on:

            1. Local LAN Game
            2. Local Private Server (Forge mostly).
            3. Online Private Server. either my own or from others.
            4. Official Internet Server

            No idea what problems you seem to have but Minecraft works 100% perfect on Linux.

            • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              151·
              10 months ago

              Think they mean Bedrock, not Java

              Bedrock is the windows-forced version and has Realms, which is probably what they mean by private server

              Really good example of the difference between old and new school PC gaming right there

              • Metz@lemmy.worldEnglish
                5·
                10 months ago

                Oh yes, I had actually forgotten that this things exists. You could be right. But quick search says there is a way to use Bedrock on linux and connect to all kind of servers / realms as well. even together with java users. but tbh, i have not looked deeper into it.

          • Secret300@sh.itjust.works
            101·
            10 months ago

            Yeah nah I host my own Minecraft server and you’re just wrong. I’ve used multiple server softwares as well that have nothing to do with Microsoft. Are you talking about bedrock edition maybe?

          • i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            8·
            10 months ago

            Java version is the easiest to run on Linux. I have seen that people have gotten Bedrock to work but it looks a lot harder to get running and has more limitations.

          • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
            6·
            10 months ago

            Java is famously cross-platform. It even means you can run a Minecraft server on Arm64 without issue. I currently have a heavily modded Minecraft server hosted on an Ampere Alta VPS without a single hitch

      • TurboWafflz@lemmy.world
        102·
        10 months ago

        If the DRM or anticheat needs low enough level access that it won’t run in wine I don’t think I really want it running on my computer either way.

      • penguin@sh.itjust.works
        71·
        10 months ago

        I think it’s almost at the point where the only games that don’t work are games with anti cheat that refuse to play nicely.

      • reddithalation@sopuli.xyz
        1·
        10 months ago

        minecraft (java, not sure about bedrock) on linux is flawless, private servers work exactly as they do on windows.

    • M137@lemmy.world
      1232·
      10 months ago

      Worth every penny IMO, MacOS is super nice and so is the hardware.

      (I don’t have a mac, wish I did though).

      Cue the apple hater replies, this will be fun.

      • AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world
        17·
        10 months ago

        Mac was fantastic in the '80s

        Mac was great in the "90s

        Mac was good in the '00s

        Linux Mint was fantastic in the '10s

        • LSNLDN@slrpnk.net
          21·
          10 months ago

          Ok but it’s the 20s and I want to run apps that are only on new chip MacOS computers and i don’t have one what do I do, saaave me linukz

          • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            10 months ago

            ARM compatibility is still shit. All actually useful desktop apps are still primarily x86-64, the compatibility layer Rosetta is hit or miss, everything is proprietary and expensive, and Apple decided the Pro model should only have 8GB for a shit ton of money. Apple is overpriced trash in the '20s.

            • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone refer to the 2020s as the 20s. I’ve kind of been waiting for it.

      • cm0002@lemmy.world
        3·
        10 months ago

        (I don’t have a mac, wish I did though).

        Worth every penny IMO, MacOS is super nice and so is the hardware.

        Putting all my legitimate Apple/MacOS concerns/arguments aside, how can you declare a product as “Worth every penny” when you yourself have not used it for an extensive period of time? Attempted to integrate it into your workflow?

    • Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world
      411·
      10 months ago

      Wrong. I’ve ran into a ton of issues recently with proton. Don’t act like it’s flawless. It needs a lot of work.

  • Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyiEnglish
    434·
    10 months ago

    This flowchart is wrong.

    If I follow this reasoning, I should be running windows. I am not running windows, Ergo, either it is incorrect or I am incorrect. And I refuse to believe I’m incorrect.

    • Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      That doesn’t mean it is not a great meme!

      Just look at all the butt hurt comments complaining about the content :)

  • MartinXYZ@sh.itjust.works
    22·
    10 months ago

    I had a friend about 25 years ago who was very much into Quake Arena. His gaming setup ran on BSD. Now that I’ve been gaming on Linux for several years, I’ve really come to appreciate how much work it must have been to get that setup running smoothly in the late 90s. He died a couple of years ago. I sometimes wish I could call him up and get some advice.

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      6·
      10 months ago

      Wow… just wow… QIII on BSD 25 years ago… yeah, that must have been hell to set up…

  • Grass@sh.itjust.works
    21·
    10 months ago

    This one didn’t age quite as poorly as some of the others. I have gotten to the point of generally preferring Linux gaming now though. Bsd is still a bit lacking for my general computing but opnsense on my router is one of those ‘where has this been all my life?’ things.

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      4·
      10 months ago

      OpnSense wasn’t quite there yet a few years ago. Now, it’s golden 👍! Don’t know why people still prefer pfSense over OpnSense, it’s so much easier to set up and maintain.

      • Grass@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        10 months ago

        I didn’t try pfsense but it sounded like opnsense suited me better and I have had no reason to change so far. It has also made managing my self host stuff so much easier but a lot of it is pending being redone with more future proofing.

  • Yuki@kutsuya.dev
    289·
    10 months ago

    Linux gaming is better than Windows imo. No tracking, random bsod, shit just either works or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, you make it work.

    • Kogasa@programming.dev
      8·
      10 months ago

      Eh? I don’t get BSODs because my compositor simply crashes (requiring a system restart, as the compositor will crash again if restarted) or my graphics driver hangs. Can’t remember the last time I bluescreened on Windows except for when I was testing an unstable RAM overclock.

      I won’t say Linux gaming is better than Windows, but I will say it’s good enough that I don’t miss Windows at all even after a few years.

      • Yuki@kutsuya.dev
        1·
        10 months ago

        Hm, weird! I never experiences crashes, except if I leave my pc on for days on end

        • Kogasa@programming.dev
          1·
          10 months ago

          It’s highly specific to your setup and the game/software. Most games aren’t a problem. Just the occasional random issue, like in WoW certain locations insta-crash my graphics driver.

          • Yuki@kutsuya.dev
            1·
            10 months ago

            That’s so odd. Yea, I do agree it’s the setup. Lots of people mix ram sticks, weird drivers, etc.

            • Kogasa@programming.dev
              1·
              10 months ago

              My setup is pretty clean hardware wise (Zen 3, matched RAM, stable/no overclocking, 6800xt), mainline mesa drivers, only thing that’s really unstable is wlroots-git / sway-git. Which is sometimes the problem, and other times it’s mesa. I also have 3x 1440p monitors, 240/120/120Hz, so if there’s any throughput-related bug I’ll probably run into it. Being on Arch I’ll probably also run into bugs related to updates in dynamically linked libraries fairly early, sometimes before they’re fixed.

              • Yuki@kutsuya.dev
                1·
                10 months ago

                I also run arch and xfce4, having more than 1 monitor fucks with my refresh rates. Also, your setup sounds pretty nice

      • u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        1·
        10 months ago

        I do. Last Monday between 8-11am. But on a school PC. 64-bit Windows 10 Pro doesn’t seem to play well with slow ancient 80GB HDD, ancient entry-level single-core CPU and 1GiB of RAM leaving just 45MiB free when nothing else than task manager was open.

        Can’t blame Windows here though. It couldn’t even run Linux Mint XFCE (crashed after opening Firefox). This week I “upgraded” it to Windows 7 SP1. Yes, it’s connected to internet. But don’t worry, we also have Windows XP machines connected to internet.

        Just a funny note: One of the requirements from these computers is that they run the newest version of Cisco Packet Tracer… which requires 4GB of free RAM. Yeah, sure.

        • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          ancient 80GB HDD, ancient entry-level single-core CPU and 1GiB of RAM

          It couldn’t even run Linux Mint XFCE (crashed after opening Firefox)

          So the biggest limitation for literally anything will be memory. 1GiB is less than anything other than an Ubuntu server VM will handle

          Pro editions of Windows 10 have memory compression which combined with paging will allow it to barely function, but Windows 7 and later will absolutely chug on a single core processor, with 10 basically being unusable due to heavy background processes.

          On Linux it appears you have to really do some heavy customization to get memory compression to work, but you can use zram-config to setup a compressed swap file, so it will be slightly less bad. I suspect this is probably the easiest path to having this computer be capable of loading Firefox and a GUI.

          With all of that said, an 80GB HDD is going to be incredibly slow even by hard drive standards, and a single core processor is going to be missing so many modern instruction sets that everything will be slow as molasses but even worse, it’ll be unreliably slow because certain things that rely on those instructions will chug as it churns through it the hard way, but then other things will zip by normally.

          This PC sounds like an excercise in refusing to let the dead die, which while an entertaining challenge, eventually the only solution will be to make it place for running period-correct software

    • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
      5·
      10 months ago

      The only time I’ve seen a bsod in the last 10 years was because of faulty RAM that would’ve crashed any OS just as hard.

      • Yuki@kutsuya.dev
        61·
        10 months ago

        I work in IT and I see them weekly. Most of the time caused by Microsoft updates or people not shutting down their pc for over a week