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These days Windows boots really fast to the login screen (which has a reboot option).
If you log in, it’ll start loading all the usual shit, and that will take a few moments on SSD. (And a few geological megacycles on a HDD.)
You got Windows on a HDD or something? The longest part of booting my PC, no matter what OS I boot into, is the BIOS splash screen and energystar thingy.
I see some comments trashing dual boot, I really don’t understand why. I have really nice setup with Debian 12 and Windows 10. Boot pc, get to work on Linux, and other projects after. When I’m done and want to game a bit I switch to windows.
I have no need to setup funky VMs to bypass games made strictly for windows, and also don’t have performance limitations.
Just use the right tool for the right job folks.
I see some comments trashing dual boot, I really don’t understand why.
Back when I dual booted, every Windows update was a dice roll whether and how it would decide to fuck up my dual boot setup.
Sometimes it decides to “fix” grub. Sometimes it wanted to encrypt something new to protect me from all the theives that wander through my living room. Sometimes Windows just had an update that was 1000% sure that Windows was the default boot entry, and so doing something extremely sensitive and rebooting to finish without telling the user, should be fine.
Windows under dual boot, for me, was like having a fragile semi-suicidal pet. I found myself doing constant research to rescue it from itself.
Eventually I did let it die.
So I’m not mad at it, exactly. I’m just over it.
Damn, I relate to that, back when I used to multi boot several systems on the same drive, windows always found a way to fuck up the boot loader.
Nowadays I leave them in separete drives, with debian and grub as the main option, windows don’t even have a chance to interfere since the bios boot the debian drive first.
Your second paragraph tells me you haven’t even tried because the first part is just checking a checkbox in the steam settings to automatically use proton for games without linux support, and occasionally going in to the game settings (again in steam) to force it to use proton instead of a broken linux version.
And there’s no performance limitations running them on Linux. If anything, performance is even better on Linux because it isn’t running every single possible service MS wants to minimize support time and gobble up data.
Only exceptions to this are if you play games that want to do things in your kernel, or maybe if you’re using an nvidia gpu, depending on your distro it might take effort to get that set up properly.
If you have an AMD GPU, it’s actually quicker to go from start installing the OS to playing a game on linux than it is in windows between a) it not trying to steal focus to upsell you on other ms products, b) gpu drivers being included in the distro, and c) the defaults just being better on linux, thus less time spent making it less annoying to use.
It’s just no longer true that windows is the right tool for gaming, except for a list of specific games that want to invade the kernel and thus I’m kinda happy that I won’t accidentally run one. They don’t even stop cheating (which should be done on the server side anyways).
Well, I work with devops, so I am well aware of some of the benefits and limitations of VMs, and I also tried proton. But I’ve run in tons of issues when running older games that I like, specially mmos like Ragnarock Online, Perfect World, Prison Tale. They have lots of compatibility issues with the VM, even with windows 10 for that matter, which is a little easier to circumvent.
About performance, things like baldurs gate 3 and cyberpunk 77 that I like, have like 20 to 25 less frames on proton, to add salt to injury bg3 crashes a lot.
Your second paragraph tells me you haven’t even tried because the first part is just checking a checkbox in the steam
Please don’t assume thinga on the internet, steam accounts for a quarter of my time spent on games.
I’m not here to say which one is better, just saying that bashing a completely fine option is, at least, dumb.
^(edit: typo)
If you need that for aggressive anticheat stuff to run, that makes total sense. I personally don’t need it since proton is so good, but I also don’t understand why anyone would hate on you for that.
I really don’t understand why.
Anti-Microsoft ideologues, mostly. Giving MS any quarter is antithetical to their chosen axe to grind. Pay them no mind.
Can’t remember when i stopped dual-booting.
Especially now with VMs…I remember those pre-SSD days! If I spin up a minimum specs VM, it’s kinda like that (which I did at least five times over the weekend). Nowadays you can load Windows pretty fast. Updates might take 10 minutes though!
I’m lazy, I let it load automatically on 5s to Bazzite. One of these days I’ll have to put forth effort into loading Windows (also, I am intentionally trying to use Linux over Windows, learning new stuff as I go)
I have my grub set to 1s to Mint. Because of that I keep on accidentally booting to Windows like once a week.
Idk what i did wrong but my dual boot system just doesn’t show windows so I can never accidentally boot into it. I have to f12 to get to windows. Im sure thats a red flag somehow lol.
os-probe, the thing that suppose to help grub mkconfig auto-detect windows boot menu entry, is by default disabled in
/etc/default/grub.You need to:
- Make sure os-prober is installed
- Uncomment
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=falsein/etc/default/grub - probably restart for good measure
- Find out which disk partition holds your EFI system partition
- mount that partition on /boot
- run grub mkconfig and override
/boot/grub/grub.cfg
Oh neat, I have just gotten used to it and by extension means I rarely boot to windows which is a good thing in my eyes.
Not entirely sure why I was getting downvoted though, maybe I finally gained a hater? Or was it the use of lol?
It was @Hawke@lemmy.world and they either misclicked or they are a raging asshole. Either way don’t worry about them.
Weird, not sure if I’ve interacted with them or not. I don’t have them tagged. @Hawke@lemmy.world did I piss you off before?
I don’t think so, no.
I feel like people put a lot more stock in downvotes than is really necessary or intended. It’s nothing personal.
Also it feels very weird to get called out like that for something so trivial. Let alone directly insulted (by the parent reply, not by you.)
Im not sure they were insulting you, it does say “or they are a raging asshole” only if you are an asshole… which you aren’t right?
I like to think I’m not. On the other hand if those are the only two options I guess I must be?
That other person though… seems to be wildly bent out of shape over a downvote on someone else’s comment. I show they deleted their other comment now but: definitely an asshole.
Anyway, since we’re this deep into the convo, might as well explain: the downvote was mostly about someone still dual-booting Windows at this point. That was not at all articulated by a simple swipe to downvote, but a lot quicker and easier (or not, in retrospect). Does that make me an asshole? Maybe; if so, I’ll take that hit to my little reputation and move on.
In the interest of continuing the conversation though, I’ll ask… what draws you to keep it around? My experience when I was dual booting was that before long I found myself not booting windows for a year or two. When I did [around the time of the transition from 7 to 10], it just caused extra hassle with things updating and breaking. And the last couple of games I had “needed” it for began working fine in Linux. So I reclaimed the space, and haven’t missed it as windows 11 enshittified further and Microsoft went all in on vibe coding slop.
The worst is if you select the windows repair entry, that takes even longer…or a old entry that doesnt have a valid installation behind it…
My old i5 boots to Windows in less than a minute, fully functional.
Is it Windows 98?
Jokes aside: You have to count the time from starting to boot Windows to restarting it, letting the computer do its pre-boot whatver-it-does-es, to back to grub.
And I find a minute a long wait.
Ah! You’re moving goalposts! The meme is about choosing an OS at boot time, not up, down, up again.
I’m in the game less than 60-seconds from that point. And that’s on an old i5-1135G7 NUC, 32GB DDR4, god knows how old the SSD is, been through 3 PCs without a Windows reinstall.
Yes, Linux almost always smokes Windows on a reboot, but it’s not that big of a deal anymore.
CAVEAT: I should note my Windows install is from an official ISO, not some manufacturer’s crapware.
That almost never happens for me and even when it does, it’s pretty fast.
I almost miss the grinding sound old hard drives made when booting up windows 98 and older
“wow, I haven’t been booted in months, better get those updates going”
It’s been over 200 days since I switched over… I bet windows would crash if I booted and tried to update
starts smoking while you hear rocks being ground up
I had this happen, and I updated, and now explorer doesn’t start or launch when I log in. I don’t use windows enough to justify reinstalling, so I just have a half broken windows install chilling in my PC
That’s exactly how my last copy of Windows retired itself.
Remove it.
No more updates for me , I’m staying with 10 since I rarely use windows and v11 is not worth the hassle.
No more updates might be ok now, but as soon as someone finds a security vulnerability, it ain’t getting patched. Maybe if it’s dire enough. Someone should put together a script to modify the registry for an easy v11 update path.
I am pretty sure windows 7 got 1 last patch a while after it stopped just because of how bad the vulnerability was. It could happen, but it will take a lot.
Soooo, you guys don’t have a reset button on your computer orrr?
And no I’m not fun at parties
Mine actually doesn’t.
We’d know if we got invited to some.
Me pressing the reset button…
It’s good that you’re at least self-conscious of your deficiencies.
Yeah, If I don’t catch the train, I also just uninstall the rails and hope for the best.
To be fair the train equivalent of windows would crash either way.
I think this when you’re finished for the night and you see: Update and shut down (4 minutes). Now you lay in bed while your computer boots back to windows for 15 minutes.
Every time I boot into windows it breaks grub and I have to arch-chroot with a live archiso USB to fix it…
Also when you intentionally boot into windows and it requires at least 7 years and 9 reboots before getting ready.
Then it applies an update that wipes your grub and leaves your system unbootable.
grub problems
Then after seemingly working it suddenly starts lagging again, and I check the task manager and see Microsoft Office hogging all the resources and filling the RAM, but I don’t even have Microsoft Office.
Windows Search Service (or whatever it’s called). Every time my VM completely locks up, it’s that fucker.
Thankfully, I can then just switch back to butter-smooth Linux for a while to do another task while Windows un-fucks itself.
Just hardkill the PSU and delete the partition afterwards.
Yeah, just shiv it right between the cooler blades.
More than 51 years if there’s one of those updates that will randomly decide to overwrite the UEFI removing your bootloader entirely :P
This is why it’s always best — if you absolutely must have Windows — to keep it quarantined on its own drive.
