Currently on an enjoyable journey of de-googling, upping privacy, data sovereignty and so on.
Apps that do this just get it.
Lemmy also doesn’t support unifiedpush so it’s impractical to send notifications lol
Installed Lineage 4 months ago. My phone uptime is 4 months.
I can’t emphasize how important it is for you to control your phone, especially notifications. Every notification is literally a mind hijacking attempt. Regardless of the type of notification, it’s something that disrupts our thinking and our flow.
Some of them are necessary—but most aren’t.
All the native apps will of course try to get as much permission from you as possible, including notifications. Don’t allow this permission freely.
Get really strict about which apps need to send you notifications, and when. Take it from a dude who used to give free reign to all apps for notifications.
Once I started thinking in a more digitally minimalistic way, it made a huge difference.
Running GrapheneOS actually helped with this a lot. But you don’t need GOS to do this and feel the difference.
I got some notifications turned on, but most of em are silent. So they still get delivered, but they’re not time-sensitive. They’ll be there when I check my phone next. I don’t need em interrupting whatever I was doing or thinking.
TL;DR: Be strict about which notifications you allow, and when. It’ll do wonders for your thinking, productivity, and mental health.
My partner recently decided to be privacy conscious specifically to spite me.
They responded positively to my desire to move back to signal for texting (used it when i was on android because iOS enforced a delay that caused messages to receive out of order), but decided to be shitty about it and punish me by deactivating all notifications including just name. Im the only one they talk to on it. So now I have to wait for them to get around to viewing my messages whenever their reminder goes off to check it.
Like… that kind of defeats the purpose of moving communications over if i have to send them a text through imessage to tell them to check signal (they talked me into an iphone “for privacy” and it has been an absolute nightmare)
Meanwhile I have always had all notifications disabled or set to minimum, simply because notifications bug the hell out of me and i don’t want them for any reason that isn’t urgent, and they have constant app notifications. “IT security specialist” my asshole.
Tell them about Molly: molly.im and Molly socket, molly is a signal fork with all the closed source stuff ripped out and replaced, and it lets you use unifiedpush
Thank you for this. For me, though, for telling people. Im presently on ios as is partner.
I genuinely appreciate it for myself and the friends who went to signal with me because i want us all to be safe. Like my ladyfriends who want to send sexy messages to their wierdo boyfriends. They all only signal now, instead of snapchat.
The individual in need of that message, though, The one you sent it for, will… never fucking listen. Years and years of effort. Zero result.
Hmm, this seems not healthy. Are you sure you’re happy with them?
do you remember what were they saying? they deleted everything
Yeah, but it’s not very exciting. Long story short, they’re still engaging in a toxic relationship via signal.
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I mean considering lemmy is public information and messages are unencrypted…
At this point, I gave up a long time ago on hiding my opinions. I’d rather die for my ability to speak out than to stay silent.
But I know that and choose to make public statements. Plus, there are ways to be anonymous-ish about it still
True, but my comment was about how it was irrelevant that voyager doesn’t allow tracking through notifications when Lemmy is inherently insecure. Although in an open communication like Lemmy the insecurity doesn’t matter as much.
oh, I thought OP’s point is Voyager does not even want you to bother with notifications that could make you more addicted
edit: someone else has taken it that way too: https://europe.pub/comment/7070900
I’ve made an assumption that op was referring to how messages can be pulled from push notification post decryption since they were talking about upping privacy and data sovereignty.
wait, I think maybe there is a misunderstanding in what happened in other apps. you are referring to the signal notifications thing, right?
Yes but its not just signal but any app with push notifications
one more thing: its not actually irrelevant for privacy whether lemmy sends our public comments across google’s push service. we are not anonymous, but we don’t use real names either so it’s partially private, but when google connects your notifications (or just the timestamp of them with comments here), they will be able to figure out what is your account. they can use that information for stalker marketing or give it to the authorities later on
ok. push notifications don’t universally leak your data. apps can receive either the message contents in the push notification, which is unsafe (less so if encrypted), or a ping that there is some kind of a new notification, upon which the app can connect to the server to fetch them. Popular messaging apps probably do the former for some reason. in mattermost its configurable by the server operator but defaults to leaking data. safe messaging apps don’t do this, they just send an empty notification or such, and the app checks in for updates. signal and matrix are like that, but in both cases they wouldn’t even be able to send the message when it is encrypted.
but back to voyager: to be able to use push notifications, the server needs to send them. Lemmy does not have the capability for that, probably not even in the 1.0 version they are working on. so the way for Voyager to fetch notifications is to check in periodically instead of using a push service.
Ah fair, didn’t think of it like that
Hi folks.
It was mainly my joy that an app’s default position is “we don’t do notifications”. I’ve never seen that before. Usually one is rushing to turn them off.
I guess its privacy on two levels; privacy from potential tracking, but also privacy from intrusion, constant attention etc.
I get that Lemmy is public and it could be irrelevant if my notifications are on or not. Its just such a refreshing position to see in an app.
I don’t even bother with most apps anymore unless I have to. I use the Photon UI, so https://p.lazysoci.al/ or https://photon.lemmy.world/
Can you tell me more about that? I was able to see this thread on those links but not familiar with Photon. I searched a bit but a few different techie things came up.
You had me at “don’t even bother with most apps any more…” 😁
The alternative frontends need to be added to a Lemmy server by the admins so not everywhere has them. Lemmy.world has quite a few though which are listed in the sidebar.
no it doesnt get it, i actually tried to turn it on but they dont have the option :/
notifications off by default is good tho
@aeharding@vger.social is a local hero
Hey thanks! ^^
Your name is purple! Witch!
Witch!
They turned me into a newt!
I too disable notifications on all my news sources. They are reserved for personal connections only.
My dad on the other hand, often doesn’t see my messages, because he has always the notification stack full and doesn’t notice the new ones. Same in E-Mail inbox.
And can we please outlaw pre-selected newsletters? They are annoying anyway, if you don’t actively choose them.
That really is nice, right? I also like when my apps have no mechanism to connect to the internet, so you don’t have to worry about trackers, data exultation, etc.
There’s de-googling and privacy and all…thats all great. But it is a completely separate thing to take back attention from distractions, bullshit notifications and letting tech overlords reach into our daily lives and disrupting our focus and attention whenever they feel like it. Notification real estate is hugely valuable and the default for every app should be “off”, with further fine tuning as needed. Better bulk settings are needed for notification settings adjustment.
I agree completely and believe it’s an issue for people with disabilities too. Hopefully more and more people are taking notice and speaking out. I bet good videos help raise awareness too!
I’m still not sure if those are a second pair of whiskers, or if it’s a Wallace & Gromit style mouth
Been using Voyager since it was called Wefwef for both mobile and desktop Lemmy, love it.
I just installed Voyager yesterday evening. I had to switch instances. On the new instance my old client (Thunder) didn’t load images consistently. I like it so far.
Wow same here, had actually forgotten it used to be called WefWef until you mentioned it.
Is this the app that costs money, or was that a different one? I always forget.
Go here and find out https://vger.app/
@TachyonTele Voyager was free last I checked, and I havent seen any non-free lemmy apps?
There’s one that costs money and hasnt been updated in years. I can’t remember it’s name though. It was a big deal when it came out.
Sync for Lemmy has a paid version that gets rid of ads. Its developer was one of the most vocal when Reddit started charging developers for access to their API. Sync for Reddit was one of the most popular third-party Reddit apps before then.
Its developer is also absent all the time. They poke their head in every few months, fix a bunch of problems, then disappear into the nether for an indeterminate amount of time.
I actually switched to Voyager because I was annoyed at how difficult it was to get anything fixed on Sync. And of course, Voyager is free.
That’s right it’s sync! Yup that’s exactly the one i was thinking of. Thanks
Voyager is donations only. I donate to it every time a thread like this comes up in the wild.
Yeah, and that’s completely fine. There’s nothing wrong with donations.
Maybe Boost?
Voyager is free.
I’m using voyager right now and I love it.
