Slavery didn’t end because the slaves revolted. It ended because white people fought to abolish it. The North could have allowed the South to continue on as a separate nation with slaves, but they insisted the Confederacy remain with the Union, AND end slavery.
Often the downtrodden need those in power to use that power to fight for them.
Sounds like you’re a white savior
Slavery didn’t end because the slaves revolted. It ended because white people fought to abolish it.
Holy revisionist history!!
White abolitionists absolutely played a role in ending chattel slavery in the United States, not the least of which were John Brown, the 48ers, and others who were doing what they did for the goal of Abolition primarily.
The vast majority of northern politicians, generals, and soldiers, were engaged in the Civil war to preserve the Union, first and foremost. Abolition was a distant secondary concern for most of them.
Furthermore, Slaves weren’t just sitting on their asses waiting to be freed by the benevolence of white people, they were agents of history all on their own. W.E.B. DuBois argued in Black Reconstruction in America that an underdiscussed turning point in the Civil War was when slaves engaged in one of the largest general strikes in American history. A strike which crippled the southern economy and thus its ability to sustain the war.
So yes, Slavery did end in very large part because the slaves revolted.
It’s not revisionist at at all. In fact you partially agreed with me, that WHITE abolitionists were prime agents of ending slavery.
Slavery ended IN PART because the slaves resisted, but it’s revisionist history to pretend that the enormous Civil War that killed millions of Americans, mostly white, didn’t play the most major role in the end of slavery.
There wasn’t a single American slave revolt that contributed substantially to the end of slavery. When Union armies started encroaching on Southern territory, slaves abandoned their posts, and headed to Northern lines, but it wasn’t anything organized. DuBois characterized it as a General Strike, but it was really just the slaves taking advantage of the opportunity of a lifetime. There was no organized revolt, no General Strike, just individual motivation to escape while it was possible.
Sure, the Union Army was fighting to preserve the Union, but they were also well aware that the ONLY issue that was dividing the Union was slavery. Literally every Southern Constitution, and the Confederate Declaration of Independence made it very clear that their single issue was slavery. Without Slavery, there is no Civil War. And without the mostly white Union Army, the South would have continued with slavery.
Imagine thinking that only minorities can stand up for minority rights. What’s your suggestion then, that White people have no business doing anything but maintaining the status quo, because it’s not their place to speak out for others?
Imagine
As a trans white woman, tbh I remember when the discussion was that privileged people should be amplifying minority voices and talking points, and at least on the axes I’m oppressed along I stand by that position. A lot of people are unwilling to listen to me about my humanity, but they are a hell of a lot more likely to listen to my cis relatives.
Also those discussions can be exhausting for the affected and having the non affected doing 101 level talks with each other spares me them.
I worry about this sometimes. I don’t ever want to be seen as speaking “for” minorities I’m not a member of, but I do want to be seen speaking “up for” them. And I worry about finding the right balance. I don’t want to speak over them, but do want to help make it clear that I support them and I am opposed to those who are opposed to them. I don’t want to be MLK’s “white moderate”.
You don’t need to worry about shit. Propaganda like the OP’s serves only to make you feel guilty about speaking up, pushing you to become one of MLK’s white moderates.
If you’re in a position to advocate for a group who’s voice is being muffled, do it.
You already know the distinction between that and talking over them - don’t let internet bullshit blur the line.
This is a hilarious take. How far do you think it would go if only black people cared about black problems? If only black people fought against slavery, I’m almost certain it would still be widespread publicly. It still certainly is t fixed. We still have systemic corruption and incarceration based servitude for slave wages, but on an individual level, it’s been mostly taken care of and because it wasn’t just the directly affect fighting against it. No, minorities do not need anyone to speak for them, but other people, especially those of the same race as the oppressors, it needs to happen. Otherwise “they’re just being uppity again.”
Get em dude
I am a cis white woman. My opinion has never, in my life, mattered to any real consequence. I am not liberal, I am an anarchist. Fuck this title. My opinion has never mattered in the scheme of things and never will. What’s the best I could ever do? Be loud on Twitter? Maybe run for minor local office and lose to a rich fuck? No. My opinions do not, in fact matter. They never have, and they never will.
Perfect
Racist post. I hope it isn’t tolerated by the community.
Do activists with a messiah complex exist? Yes. Are they annoying? Yes. Should folks considered “white” and politically “liberal” be generalized into having this attribute? No. It’s racist to do so.
OP is quite bigoted and should know better.
Sounds like I did it correctly. Get fucked silly head. Its a shitpost specifically to bother idiots like you. Teeheee
“I get to code my racism behind a flair, checkmate atheist!”
Cry harder, explain how this post in any way means I am racist.
Yeah I’m crying hard lol
Watch me use my tears as lube 🍆💦
Stop trying to turn me on! Thats where I draw the farcical shitpost line.
i think some people are missing the point in that its making fun of the people that do this for the vanity instead of actually caring
Correct
If it’s intended to call out the vain, why does it say white liberals?
White
Are you saying all white people who advocate for minorities are virtue seeking and self congratulating
Yes, I am making that genuine and sincere statement in a shitpost.
Does that mean you believe white liberals don’t actually care about minorities?
Who?
Damn we getting mad at white women again?
As someone that defended humanity of Palestinians and spoke out against Israel genocide, it’s okay if white women talk about the plight of others or the oppression they suffer
Shitpost. But yes I’m very mad.
Nobody needs/wants the white liberal to speak for them, but another voice in the crowd demanding something surely can’t be a bad thing?
Depends
You’re being downvoted but the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen is white people deciding Latinx structure was the proper way of making something gender neutral in Spanish.
We can’t even fucking pronounce that in SPANISH!
But more annoyingly was that it ignored that there was already a gender neutral movement anyway that had started in Mexico that DID use something that could be pronounced: Latine structure.
It’s honestly insane that (even as rarely as it’s relevant for a european) this thread is the first I heard of “latine”. All that discourse about latinx and NOW finally I’m being told that there’s been a less stupid attempt at a solution before that. Finally I can stop feeling weird as I’m trying to decide whether to just say latinos as I have no idea what the socially accepted word is in the context I’m in. I can just say latine.
Honestly Latinos (plural) doesn’t really bother most of us either because the language is just gendered, but doesn’t mean we’re literally thinking a chair is a woman or a tv is a man.
But, in the rare case where a gender neutral word would be better, such as referring to a person’s gender (singular), then Latine and such is useful. So El, Ella, É etc
As long as you don’t “correct” or act like you know better that minorities, you will be a good Ally.
Don’t say “I will help you!”, instead ask “how can i help you?”
What if the minorities are wrong?
That’s the question from which fucked up shit start to happen, but let’s take it at face value.
In that case, you can look for a segment of the minority group that aligns with your ideals (because not all of us think the same way, we’re not a collective mind) and offer them your support.
Do you encounter, say, Latinos who support Trump? Leave them alone and offer support to Latinos who are critical of Trump; We’ll know how to use your help to take actions that benefit all of us, including those who are “wrong.”
do you approve of the term “LatinX”?
It is important to understand the context of who defined it.
It was mainly defined by queer people in various Latin communities as a self descriptor. LGBT acceptance within the various Spanish speaking communities in general is nowhere near universal, which explains why adoption of Latinx isn’t a thing.
I’d only use the descriptor if I knew that a lot of people there within earshot wanted to use that description.
So, back in real life. At a protest? Yes, it’s valuable for white people to speak up, since they’re more difficult for police to persecute. Sorry you’re too uninformed and naice to realize this, so wise OP.
💋
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a CommunistThen they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a SocialistThen they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionistThen they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a JewThen they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for meI’m left
Then they came for the shitposters.
