Let’s make Windows 10 the last version ever used!
*Sat. 28 Dec. 11h* Stage YELL #KDEEco 's Call To Action against e-waste driven by #Windows10.
*Mon. 30 Dec. 13-15h* B&B habitat join the BoF to organize a global #FreeSoftware campaign to raise awareness of Windows 10’s EoL in 2025, the role of software in #eWaste, and how independent, sustainable #FOSS is a solution to keep devices in use & out of the landfill.
https://fahrplan.alpaka.space/jugend-hackt-38c3-2024/talk/ST8NJA/
As someone who is way into the idea of Linux, wants to switch, and is very gun-shy about the million little programs and extensions I might not be able to replace, let me tell you what is required of anybody who is actually genuine in their desire to see Linux gain the traction it deserves:
Don’t ever tell anybody to read the manual again. Just answer the god damn question. It’s good when answers to basic, common problems are peppered around the internet like that; it’s dumb and wrong and weird to think of it as a thing to be avoided. If you’d like to put a link to the part of the manual where the questioner could have looked to find it, that’s cool, too. Don’t just leave the link–there’s a good chance they didn’t understand it and that’s why they’re asking. Maybe they just want a person-answer instead of a reference-manual-answer, and it’s good when the answer exists in both forms. Every answered question is a contribution.
I would go even further: the version of reality where Linux beats Windows and ushers in an era of community-centric open source dominance is populated by a Linux community that considers “rtfm”, “pebcac”, etc to be borderline bannable offenses. If you are a small, weak person, and want Linux to be your way of thinking you’re better than other people, you’ll drive question-askers away, back to Inferiority Land, using your knowledge to dunk on them instead of help them, and call it a win. These are the ugly bridge trolls, who may as well be paid Microsoft employees, keeping people away from your community, and a serious change of pace might yield much smoother adoption. At the very least, the community owes it to their own work to see how much smoother.
As someone considering the switch seriously, the knowledge that I may have to deal with people like that is absolutely, 100% a factor, and I am someone who has no qualms about telling someone on the internet to fuck off, so it’s gonna be more of an issue for many others who are more conflict-averse.
The Linux community needs to take very seriously whether it actually wants increased open source adoption, or if it wants to remain a tiny minority so that it has a nice, large majority to feel better than.
Without offenses but it’s important to read instructions for anything in this life, the wash machine, robot cooking, your daily medication, etc., all of them have instructions.
Most people that says “read the documentation” is also tired of people that can’t read instructions how things works, and in this open source world everything minimum popular is well documented.
I feel Windows users lacks many documentation and people are used to click to .exe that claims to do what they need to do, or they just follow some random user on a forum.
When someone asks me to teach them to learn to programming, I tell them to just read documentation. No need to pay for extra courses or YouTube videos, most of the time you can learn it better and up to date if you go to the documentation.
Then, after you did the proper search, it would make sense to open a post asking for help to gurus, telling them the steps you followed providing context and logs, if you don’t do that, most experts would just ignore you if you can’t spend time reading docs, they won’t spend time solving your issue normally.
I always try to help new users. I was a beginner once so I know how it feels to be told to rtfm by some cunt. Half the time I have an issue i’ll search it up only to find some reddit post with someone asking the same question and getting shit on by elitists who have nothing going on in their own lives. In any case, if you ever need help I or someone else would be happy to help to the best of our ability.
W11 is like vista, all frills and no substance. Some people will skip the upgrade due to slowness (it’s slow with i7+16gb sometimes) and in case of users who use chrome only, ChromeOS flex or its siblings could be a solution.
I would really love it if we could get normal people using Linux but Linux has to come to them in terms of usability, to be honest. The Steam Deck did it, so it’s clearly doable.
But in the state of things we’re in, I’m afraid that *most people* are gonna follow Windows to Windows 11. and their understandings of how computing is will be mutilated by it.
and therefore we get more anprims per capita, because if you think that’s not at least in part downstream of big tech fuckery you’re lying to yourself
You’re so close. What’s actually needed is that it comes pre-installed by default.
Linux ain’t the problem there. Usability is more of that nonsense thought up by corporations to scare people. Computers are tricky, whether Windows or Linux, and the only reason Windows is more popular is they’ve been installing it on people’s computers without asking for decades. Honestly most people don’t even have computers these days. All they get to have is a phone.
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@gyro @be4foss @kde the goal of that event is very ambitious I agree, but if I see that alone this year I myself made 4 friends and my mom to move to Linux then getting Linux to a solid market share and minimalising waste is a practicable goal.
I wouldn’t say it was easy. It is hard work and explaining a normal person what the difference between X11 and Wayland is is next to impossible.
There will be some people who just can’t afford a new PC and we basically just need to help them.
@gyro @be4foss @kde @NafiTheBear i think a significant amount of people are going to just not bother buying another laptop once their Win10 one sucks too much, because they’re on their phones for everything these days
@kyle_pegasus
@be4foss @kde @NafiTheBearWell that’s depressing, that gonna put us so much further away from ever making things good again
That’s what they don’t understand.
Every year is the year of the Linux desktop, that’s why we say it every year.
~random 4chan post I’m surely misquoting
Can it run substance painter yet?
Substance painter has always ran on Linux, has it not?
I thino they mean Adobe Substance Painter. I don’t think it works on Linux, as it also requires Creative Cloud, iirc.
I relent, I need to switch. the proposed bullshit has gotten to much for even me, the world’s laziest man.
Just a lazy man in a worky world. Should have been born a Limited Liability Corporation.
Just used the kid as a guinea pig. All AMD rig, Bazzite with Gnome to make it a little more UI familiar for him. It’s pretty much a gaming only station but he’s had zero issues.
Never thought Id upvote a KDE post…
I’m still using my thinkpad that’s 11 years running Linux mint beautifully.
I’m doing my part.
I unregistered my Win 10 key last Sunday and removed the SSD. All my IT is Windows free.
I’m still rocking a 2010 dual Xeon Mac Pro. I have no desire to use anything else. That plus my Steam Deck are good enough for me.
You’re quite late. I don’t know if you’ve heard, but they’ve got Windows 11 now. There are people using it. Not me, but people.
All true. The point is that win 11 doesn’t support a lot of old hardware that’s perfectly usable, just doesn’t have TPM2.0 chips built into them. There are some hacks around it, but it takes a great deal of desire and proficiency to make them work.
Yeah, and it sucks in like 30 other ways, but unfortunately people aren’t smart and will be going to 11 like the drones they are. I’m dual booting Linux and 10 and spend 100% of my time on 10 because having to configure and go into terminal 24/7 isn’t as fun as Lemmy makes it out to be.
having to configure and go into console 24/7
You’re not running any Linux that I’ve used in the past ten years then. What relic of a bygone age are you running?
Right? I’ve been running Mint the past year, can count the amount of times I had to boot into windows on my fingers, and having to use the terminal to do things is like an occasional, once every couple months thing, usually to solve a problem I’ve created for myself.
I remember trying Linux in the early 2010s. When it looked like a modern OS, but behaved like it always had up to that point. That was misery.
also anyone who complains about the terminal in Linux is clearly not very computer competent in Windows, as I recall frequently using Command Prompt and PowerShell to get shit done. At least, they’re not doing anything remotely complex if they’ve never encountered or had to use either.
He’s either using a 15 year old copy of Ubuntu, or he dove straight into the deep end with Arch like a dumbass and nobody told him about the wiki.
Lol. Not taking the bait on this one. Have a good Christmas.
^ 10 bucks this guy uses Arch instead of anything simpler lol
Genuinely interested so I can try it out. It sounds like fun.
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Most settings average “Facebook machine” users need are available on common distros without touching a console.
Unless you want to emulate common windows software. Then only God can save you.
I use Arch, btw
is QEMU god?
I’ve been on Linux Mint for the past several months and I think I’ve needed the terminal twice?
Once I couldn’t find a GUI option to adjust the brightness/gamma, but searching found me the terminal command so I just used that.
More recently I needed newer Nvidia drivers than were available by default, so I had to add a new PPA thing. We’ll find out later today if I’m going to regret that.
Linux isn’t ready for the mass Market yet. I say that as someone that has been a Windows free household for like over 8 years and who actively attempts to convert as many of my friends as I can.
It is not and probably never will be general market ready. Too fragmented and too many options. Which is why I love it so I wouldn’t want it to change either.
there are loads of options, but if you ask almost any linux person what distro you should start with, the answer is mint
I’m not sure what universe you live in lol. Yes lots of people like mint but plenty hate it. I don’t hate it but it wouldn’t be/hasn’t been my recommendation when converting people
