Stop strawmanning it. You’re arguing in bad faith when you use an example nobody is talking about.
Obviously, they mean that small business people are generally (remember that word?) still owner class capitalists, which are generally not your friend if you’re a wagey.
You can judge it pretty succinctly: if they are controlling a resource that others depend on in order to live (such as deriving a wage), then they are the bourgeoisie. What you’re referring to is closer to lumpenproletariat — someone who works for themselves
No! Hate them if they’re different!! Any kind of identifiable difference!!! If they’re not with you they are obviously against you!! !! Don’t just sit around bitching about it on the internet, take real action!! !!! The elections are rigged and useless anyway, direct action is the only thing that makes a difference!!! !!! If you don’t do it now, THEY will only make things WORSE for you!!! ! !!!
Like, I don’t feel like I was being that condescending. Maybe a bit sarcastic at worst. Feels like you’re projecting some past stuff into this pretty hard.
Genuine beat, you’re worth something man. You have value and people care about you. I hope you’re having a good day.
No. Owning a business (as in, means of production) makes you a different class — bourgeois — not a class traitor. Belonging to a different class naturally changes what benefits you.
And yeah you shouldn’t automatically hate some petite bourgeois guy, they may be closer to lumpenproletariat than they are to haute bourgeois. But, as long as they own the business, they have a fundamentally different set of goals under capitalism compared to you, a worker.
It’s not about hating small business owners. It’s about them belonging to the owning class with those class interests. Something like raising the minimum wage can put their interests at odds with many people they share an income bracket with. It would actually be a good thing if they were a class traitor, because that would mean they were siding with us proles.
So running a craft studio and selling your art direct to people in your area makes you a class traitor now?
Man, I’m having trouble keeping up with who we’re supposed to hate guys.
Stop strawmanning it. You’re arguing in bad faith when you use an example nobody is talking about.
Obviously, they mean that small business people are generally (remember that word?) still owner class capitalists, which are generally not your friend if you’re a wagey.
They did say generally. They also said “no matter how small their business is.”
You can judge it pretty succinctly: if they are controlling a resource that others depend on in order to live (such as deriving a wage), then they are the bourgeoisie. What you’re referring to is closer to lumpenproletariat — someone who works for themselves
Okay, so if they employ someone part time to help with the bookkeeping, then I’m supposed to hate them, but not before? Just trying to understand.
No! Hate them if they’re different!! Any kind of identifiable difference!!! If they’re not with you they are obviously against you!! !! Don’t just sit around bitching about it on the internet, take real action!! !!! The elections are rigged and useless anyway, direct action is the only thing that makes a difference!!! !!! If you don’t do it now, THEY will only make things WORSE for you!!! ! !!!
/s !!! !! !!!
God I can feel your sneering condescension through this post.
I can almost hear the subtle lisp rasping through your teeth as you read your own posts back to yourself.
I don’t know what you look like, but I know the people who bullied me in highschool would have bullied you twice as hard.
The fuck kind of insult is that? “You look like a bullying victim”? Be better.
Oof, man. You alright?
Like, I don’t feel like I was being that condescending. Maybe a bit sarcastic at worst. Feels like you’re projecting some past stuff into this pretty hard.
Genuine beat, you’re worth something man. You have value and people care about you. I hope you’re having a good day.
Everyone. The bots are going for maximal conflict and strife - spend more time online, find more outrageous reasons to hate more people.
You hit a false dichotomy. “Not your allies” does not automatically mean “class traitors”. They might be neutral.
No. Owning a business (as in, means of production) makes you a different class — bourgeois — not a class traitor. Belonging to a different class naturally changes what benefits you.
And yeah you shouldn’t automatically hate some petite bourgeois guy, they may be closer to lumpenproletariat than they are to haute bourgeois. But, as long as they own the business, they have a fundamentally different set of goals under capitalism compared to you, a worker.
It’s not about hating small business owners. It’s about them belonging to the owning class with those class interests. Something like raising the minimum wage can put their interests at odds with many people they share an income bracket with. It would actually be a good thing if they were a class traitor, because that would mean they were siding with us proles.