if they are supplying cocaine.
How is someone supposed to get proper sleep working a sixteen hour day!?
Well, if they don’t eat, shower, take a walk or rest, never clean their clothes, do any chores or have free time, they can still sleep for ~7h after they park the truck and make sure the load is still secured.
That’s totally not slavery!
The point is moot. With diesel skyrocketing they won’t be able to drive at all.
Trump is doing something Algore could only have wet dreams about… Trump is ending the Diesel and internal combustion engine (poorly planned acronymy). He might not like it but as soon as he is out and all the refineries are in shambles something has to replace all that. Probably hydrogen, and battery powered vehicles.
…it might be a new benefit in hiring, we’ll compensate a per centage of your fuel costs…after two months…and we’ve earned interest on it…follow my rabbit hole for further financial advice…/s?
Lol. The U.S. is on a suicide speedrun.
As a non-American, I find it baffling and hilarious that many Americans are proud to work 80 hours a week. It’s not a flex. They’d regret having done so when they become too frail and forgetful at the old age. And all the money they saved and pension being collected will be spent on healthcare and medication instead.
They did not even live their life when they were young and they won’t even enjoy the remainder.
apparently in academia, they think its a flex for PI to be working that much, granted the competitive to be hired at 4-year is pretty high.
Jokes on you, I’m young(ish) and not enjoying it already. Haven’t been enjoying it since about 2002.
We don’t even have pensions.
Nah, it’s been a marathon this is just that last sprint before the finish.
A couple years ago in the US, they switched from largely paper-based driver logging and random checks to an all-electronic tracking system, which was much more difficult to fake. Basically overnight, every rest stop and free truck parking area was jam-packed, and states have had to expand them since. It’s important to note that nothing about the rest requirements actually changed, just how they were enforced. So, logically, before the electronic logging, a large number of truckers were just flagrantly ignoring the law, and it became evident after the fact.
I wonder if there’s a name for that kind of phenomena.
A couple years ago? My grandpa was a trucker and this changed before he died over a decade ago.
Time flies. I was in the industry, working for one of the first companies to install electronic tachographs into trucks. When I left in 2011, our customers were largely hazardous materials transporters, with a sprinkling of companies that were caught with so many HOS violations that the DOT ordered them to use devices like hours. That was indeed more than a decade ago, but it feels like yesterday.
Yeah, I guess the paper logs phaseout started in 2017, so a couple more years than a couple 🤣
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/implementation-timeline
As they say: time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like an banana.
I don’t know about a name. I will just write it once more as this is yet another example of: “self-regulation is the same as no regulation”.
You think we would have learned this from school. When there’s no teacher in the room to watch the testing, some kids alway cheat. The more they get away with it, the more kids decide to cheat. This seems super basic, but somehow they still convince people “self regulation” works.
self-regulation is the same as no regulation"
Yup!
The problem will solve itself when diesel runs out in a few weeks, from what i hear the whole fuel production system is strained to the limit, so a even a small breakdown will give ripples through the system.
I think we’d sooner see gas dry up than diesel. If it comes push to shove it’s a lot easier to replace gas vehicles than diesel, there’s simply no alternative for global shipping!
Diesel is already drying up. Local gas stations in my area have already stopped selling it at some locations, moreso in coastal cities as well.
Same thing is happening in Europe btw, 11% of France’s gas stations have run out of gas or diesel completely, with no signs of it getting better.
Experiencing a 1970s style fuel crisis is not on my bucket list.
So this is for truckers transporting gas and diesel.
Are they just trying to look good, or are they trying to minimally lower the price of those products before the midterms? Will it even have an effect? It’s not like the price is high due to the local distribution in the USA.
(Unlike Switzerland where the low water line of the Rhine has actually increased the price of importing the gas, beyond the high price on the world market.)
I wonder if a bunch of truckers are going to buy a truck newer than 1993 now.
Currently allowed to drive for 11, shift can be up to 14 hours. Im curious what the drive time will be. As is is maximum safe level. Especially as the baseline. I think there should be outlier drivers allowed to drive more than 11, but not every driver. (OTR low population density, i.e. North dakota/Montana routes)
“allow”
Any truckers in here want to share their thoughts? Is the extra 2 hours of drive time before being forced to stop a benefit for your routes and timetables? Or is being expected to drive 16 hours at a time on every run gonna wear you out?
I’m not a trucker, so I don’t know. I’ve had trucker friends complain about being forced to stop while only a few min out from a delivery. I’ve also had trucker friends complain about driving hours on end without stopping.
What do you truckers think?
There is a difference between driving straight for 10+ hours and driving and stopping for 10 or more hours…
Im not actually a truck driver but I have done deliveries for 10 hours.
Also I have driven a car for 10 hours straight and hitting that point at least for me driving becomes dangerous the road fucks with your internals… messes with your inner equilibrium and shit… why when you drive you get sleepy for no fucking reason…
So yeah this is greed and a lack of fucking care for human life in general… as per course for the us currently…
Owner operator is much different than employee. If you want to drive and are motivated to do so, that is one thing. If terms of your employment are drive when told to, to the letter of the “law” it sucks ass.
Sir, I wasnt driving that past hour, there was an accident and it was gridlocked for the whole hour, I didnt move an inch! Please let me finish my delivery 15 minutes away!
Little nuance to the headline:
administration is temporarily relaxing rules on hours of service by truck drivers handling gasoline and diesel, citing supply and cost concerns.
Oh so we’re only reducing safety measures for the most dangerous of the trucks.
…I feel Great Again™
There’s also nothing as permanent as a temporary solution
Hell yeah!!! More fatal trucking collisions LETS FUCKING GOOOO!!!
I truly believe self-driving for trucks on freeways would be a net society gain to get rid of this nonsense. Truckers should just pickup shipments at hubs for local delivery where their expertise delivers more value.
You just reinvented trains, but with more public in the way.
Ideally, it should be, but this would be more likely to happen in the US.
Eh, if the public has all been replaced by AI, they won’t have money to go anywhere.
how expensive (and paperwork intensive) is it in Europe (or other places with functional train infrastructure) for the average person to ship one 20ft container by rail?
We don’t need self-driving trucks for this. This is already how intermodal shipping works: a driver picks up a container and takes it to a rail yard, it gets loaded onto a train, and then when it gets near enough to where it’s going, another driver takes it from the rail yard for final delivery.
The reasons for not doing intermodal are the same as not being able to do self-driving trucks: oversize loads, document-controlled shipments (haz-mats, for example), and mixed deliveries along a route. Almost everything else could be put on a train, but it would take some infrastructure upgrades and likely unattainable levels of cooperation from shippers.
Hell even the delivery along routes issue is one that can and has been solved in the past. The railway post office sorted mail en route for by postal clerks and existed as late as the 1970s, because Nixon was from SoCal and we really like our trains. While it may not be fully applicable it could still work for smaller liquid sort items, as for larger carriage specific ones I’m aware of at least one railyard that used to have those ones unlatched and moved as needed within a 5 minute period not accounting for stopping.
I’ve often wondered why every new passenger vehicle sold in the US over the past decade or so has sensors that let you know if there’s something in your blind spot, but semis are not using this technology even though they have much larger blind spots. I would think you’d see trucks adopting this other safety equipment before they go full self-driving.
Those blind spot sensors are mounted in the back of the vehicle. That doesn’t work for towed trailers. You would have to use a different sensor technology than the current cheap/simple/reliable sonar sensors.
First, trucks have longer breaking distances which a lot of sensors aren’t designed for. Second, many trucks carry trailers which are provided by others, so sensors are likely not going to be attached.
Right, but the sensors can be designed for semis, and the trailers should have the sensors just like they have brake lights.
I just said that the sensors don’t have the range, which means they can’t be.
There also isn’t a standard sensor layout.
If you could make self driving reliable you’d have a good point. Currently that tech isn’t good enough, and may never be.
The problem is that ground travel is uncontrolled space, and there is very little room for error.
and may never be.
Yes, if we destroy ourselves some other way before we get there. Otherwise it’s absolutely going to be.
Highway driving is the easiest to get right though. There are plenty of cars out there already that can handle the highway autonomously just fine.
Anyone got any meth stocks I can invest in?
I’m hoping this means they legalize over-the-counter ephedrine again. I was a skinny little speedfreak back when I could pop three of those per day.
