Time to find a new VPS host.
Shame. I liked digital ocean
Okay I’m seeing further chicanery. Their GitHub repo gives the license as MIT but many of the components are not Omarchy originals but derivatives of other products under different licences. Quickshell is LGPL 3, for example, and of course the Linux kernel is GPL 2.
But then there’s a guy working on the “Omarchy Kernel”, which I guess is a derivative like Ubuntu does…
Personalities aside this is still weird, and I wish people would focus on that.
I don’t think that matters here. NixOS is also MIT licensed.
The nix package(?) system, sure, but the eponymous OS of course has parts under a diversity of licenses, including a GPL kernel.
What I don’t get/trust if how Omarchy just slaps an MIT label on its GitHub even when I can see software in there that I know use different licenses.
Sigh time to find a new vps host for my projects
Same same, sucks as they seemed neutral but boy do they not seem to care about appearances.
Anyone have any recommendations?
I use GreenCloudVPS for a bunch of things. They used to have VPSes starting at $15/year for 2GB RAM and 20GB disk, but their current budget deals are still good (starts at $25/year for 4GB RAM and 35GB disk). These are on older hardware (mostly AMD EPYC Rome Zen 2 systems, ~5 years old) which is why they haven’t been affected by increased RAM and storage prices yet. https://greencloudvps.com/billing/store/budget-kvm-sale
They also have “premium” plans which are newer (AMD EPYC Milan Zen 3 or Genoa Zen 4, and PCIe 4.0 NVMe storage in RAID10): https://greencloudvps.com/billing/store/premium-kvm-sale
HostHatch is good too. Their regular pricing aims to compete with Hetzner, but in 13 locations worldwide. https://hosthatch.com/products. They do sometimes have sales on LowEndTalk with pricing similar to GreenCloud’s “premium” plans.
RackNerd sometimes have good deals, although they’ve discontined quite a few of them recently. You can use https://racknerdtracker.com/ to see currently active deals. I still see a 2GB RAM + 35GB storage deal for $35/year for example.
I suspect all the very cheap ones (<$50/year) will eventually increase pricing. GreenCloud and HostHatch own all their hardware. Right now they use older hardware that’s already reached break-even, but all hardware needs to be replaced eventually, and the replacement cost for things like enterprise SSDs is a lot higher than it was in the past.
If you want to stick to big names, OVHcloud and Hetzner both have pretty good VPS pricing. OVH runs theirs on very old hardware like Haswell (2014/2015 era) Xeon E5 CPUs which is the main reason why they have cheaper pricing that Hetzner.
There’s also AWS Lightsail that’s essentially Amazon’s version of a VPS. Storage and data transfer are included in the monthly price, unlike EC2 where it costs extra. I’d only use it if you like AWS or want the comfort of using a very big company though - performance is notably worse than a provider like GreenCloudVPS or Hetzner.
I’m not affiliated with any of these companies. This is just my personal experience :)
Thanks for sharing
I forgot to mention - stay far away from SSDNodes. Their prices look good, but they massively oversell their RAM. They use ballooning (
virtio_balloon) to overallocate RAM, and require you to use their customized Linux distro images that have it enabled. Ballooning means that they take unused RAM from your VM and lend it to other VMs to use. If you try to use all your RAM, they shut down your VPS.GreenCloud, HostHatch, and RackNerd all let you install whatever OS you want, by mounting an ISO, connecting to the VPS via VNC, and going through the normal setup process just like you would on a regular computer. They do have pre-built images, but I always prefer to install from my own ISO so I know that the installation doesn’t have any non-standard modifications.
Thankfully, most VPS providers don’t oversell RAM or disk space.
Check out Linode, it’s easy to use, reasonably priced, and as far as I know, hasn’t done anything disgusting.
Only downside is that they were acquired a little while ago by a publicly traded company, so the likwlyhood of enshitification is higher.
Linode? You mean Akamai Connected Cloud?
OVH has been reliable and boring afaik
Hetzner was good for me, but I went all-in on bare metal, with no looking back.
How did you do that, self host? Co-locate?
Their auctioned baremetal servers are a steal
I may need to do a proper write up on that one, as it’s quite a long story actually. The main thing is, though: it’s hard to believe how actually good modern hardware is. You can do a lot with a Raspberry Pi, not to say Mac mini. Over the decades, I accumulated some old hardware which serves till it would break. And then I’d replace it with similar hardware, I guess. E.g. I have a media server, which is a simple lighttpd web server running on an obsolete Intel Atom computer. It’s slow, but it does its job at serving files. I have old MacBook Pro hosting my Immich library.
All that is rather a self-hosted territory, but I’m pretty confident I can host a production grade stuff off my own hardware. I have been using the cheapest options at DO/Hetzner, so I definitely can host off a maxed out Mac mini or similar.
All that lives at home, or in the office (I am allowed to have some hardware there). I think the main restriction is the gigabit internet… but hey! That’s plenty too!
If I’d ever come to some serious level of hosting, yes, I think I’d co-locate at some data centre. I see very little need in cloud services, as all I need can be done with the bare metal. And it’s so much fun! Feels like magic, seeing an old laptop you’d throw out otherwise, serving as what would be a full-blown server just two decades ago.
Definitely true. The Pi 5 is especially powerful compared to older versions, but it can get kinda expensive once you add things you’d want for a server, like a case, SSD hat, etc.
Ex-office mini and small form factor PCs (Lenovo Tiny/ThinkCentre, HP ProDesk/EliteDesk, Dell Optiplex, etc) can be a better deal than a Pi. In the US at least, you can often find 9th or 10th gen Core i5 systems for less than $150 on eBay. Works great as a server.
A lot of companies have a 3-4 year refresh cycle, after which the hardware is fully depreciated (essentially meaning its value to the company is $0) and they have e-waste companies collect them. The e-waste recyclers test them, refurbish the ones that still work, and list them on marketplaces like eBay.
Unfortunately, where I am, prices aren’t that generous, but I have an unusual interest in very old hardware, so most of my servers can be bought for like $20 or less. Most of them are junk hardware nobody needs. They’re very useful for many cases, especially if we talk self-hosting / personal servers. I bet you can easily serve a small community with a $20 computer. Recently, I started being very picky about power consumption (we have massive blackouts here in Ukraine, due to the Nazi terrorist state, Russia, shelling our civilian infrastructure; but not just that: power efficient hardware is better for the planet), but one thing that isn’t obvious: you can keep the hardware off when unused. It’s trivial to turn it on, or wake up, depending on the use case.
So, if anyone new reading this, I urge you to try this with any spare computer you can find. You may be surprised how good it may work with Linux (server or even desktop).
My guess would be renting a dedicated server, or a home server. It can end up cheaper than colo.
self host?
Hosting at home, renting a dedicated server, or colocating are all considered self-hosting.
Hetzner recently skyrocketed the pricing of their VPS offerings.
I thought RackNerd had a better deal for me than digital ocean
Hetzner Cloud
I use Contabo, decent price for a solid VPS. Have only had 12hrs~ of downtime once in the 6 or 8 months I’ve been a subscriber.
I just don’t get it. Separating the art from the artist is not a black and white thing…Like a lot of people worked on the harry potter movies and many people fell in love with those before reading the books, and when Rowling went anti-trans, you could reasonably argue that the films were a collaborative work that you can still love. But this? A pre-configured Arch made by one guy who makes his headline presence maligning minorities? I don’t see how giving money to him is anything other than a company saying his views are explicitly endorsed by the donor.
Even if we do separate the art from artist, what’s the actual draw of this distro?
I think after initial hyprland success showing what’s possible, more similar window managers and desktop environments cropped up and that is the real benefit for all of us and that happened without omarchy. I’m currently on mangowc + DMS and I think it’s better than hyprland.
honestly, if it wasnt for lemmy i would have no idea the guy was racist. i just hear “ruby on rails creator has new distro thats easy to use”.
And if it wasn’t for your post I wouldn’t know he created Ruby on Rails
Really feels like it. Look at the paragraphs and the list here.
My theory is the tech bros and fascists are trying to get “theirs” in on the Linux side before windows completely sinks everywhere but business.
Is this some new money laundering thing? Are companies “buying in” to hobnob with other wealthy people? Is this just the latest Country Club or whatever?
I seriously don’t understand why all these companies are throwing money at a project that is almost assuredly going to “mismanage” it.
When capitalism can’t find a new way to grow and is challenged by dominees, it funds fascism as an investment towards to guarantee their dominance
If I had to guess, this is the techbro/epstein crew trying to get a foothold in Linux. The writing is on the wall; Windows is dead, and they want to funnel the migration into their new Omarchy ecosystem. They’ll probably start advertising bigly once Kushner and MBS invest.
Isn’t Omarchy built on top of Arch Linux? I wonder what sort of effect it will have on Arch to have companies injecting millions into this downstream project?
They aren’t putting anything worth upstreaming into their shitty Nazi treehouse
Arch devs have opaquely but clearly lambasted this in public. Apparently DHH tried to sponsor Arch and they turned him down flat.
Windows isn’t dead, anyone that actually believes that is lying to themselves.
They are too ingrained in business. Yes a couple countries will save a couple billion over the next several years getting off it but that is nothing to the 90 billion MS made in the past 3 months.
Even Microsoft knows Windows is dead. That’s part of the reason for the push for office365 over locally installed applications. It’s not dead as in everyone will stop using it next year, but it’s dead as in it might only have 10 years left as THE dominant desktop OS, maybe more, maybe less.
What they’re really ingrained in business with is their ERP bullshit. Migrating a bunch of users from Windows to Linux is cheap and easy compared to migrating all your data AND users from Dynamics to SAP or Odoo or something. It’s such a headache, you basically never do it in-house, you contract that out to a company that specializes in the ERP you’re moving to. Because it’s not just data you’re migrating, it’s business processes too. Bunch of custom modules usually need to be created, yay!
Can confirm, switching ERP or billing systems is a risky multi-year nightmare with a price tag that makes even larger corps blush.
And then you have the updates! That’s fun! They sell ERPs as SaaS, but it doesn’t work like any other SaaS. The major updates break tons of shit because your own customizations will be based on upstream fields and methods that no longer exist. Not as bad as migrating to another ERP entirely, but not exactly cheap. At work, we keep support for our custom modules for longer than the ERP company itself supports those old versions so our customers get an extra year or 2 out of it. It’s a pretty big deal for them and of course great for us, helps retention because they’d have to spend more for less if they go to the competitors (on even the same ERP that is - going to another ERP wouldn’t just be a migration cost, the annual cost itself would go up too).
I think they might mean that Windows is ultimately a dead end. I agree that its far from dead, but Valve really got the ball rolling with Proton.
Now that there’s a bunch of bigger influencers “trying Linux” as a daily driver and often having a good experience, coupled with Windows/Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot every other month, I think we’re seeing a shift in people’s perception (at least regarding what their possible options are). That said, Linux still has a ways to go until it even breaks 10% desktop share, and I don’t think it will be a threat even to Apple until Linux hits 15%.
10% of stock Chrome users on Linux, basically, is what you are waiting for on the graphs.
Nobody on Linux uses Chrome, however, and many disable telemetry. We need to normalize small amounts of statistics. Nobody will be able to trace you based on just
uname -srpio.“Nobody” That’s the 4% market usage, clearly
It was a relative “nobody”
To be honest, I think you are the one lying to yourself here. From the linked report:
Productivity and Business Processes $37,847 14%
Intelligent Cloud $39,306 32%
More Personal Computing $12,854 (4)%
“(4)” equals “-4”.
Even MS isn’t using windows exclusively. And they don’t care, as the long term scenario they are aiming for, is, that everybody only uses a minimal system and rents compute in the cloud. That’s, where the money is for them. I am quite sure, they don’t give a single eff, what those devices are using as an OS. It won’t be win 11 for sure.
So everything Windows as we know it, is what’s consumer GPUs are to Nvidia.
A real life example, I know a company whose low level employees use a Dell mini pc with a custom OS whose only job is to RDP into Citrix. All the data and compute is on the cloud.
Is this some new money laundering thing? Are companies “buying in” to hobnob with other wealthy people?
👨🚀🔫 always has been
My bet is that the tech bros hang in the same bar, and they’re just doing that for fun, and they don’t really care about the plebes not getting it.
Glad I left Digital Ocean like almost a decade ago, yet it still feels I’ve been with them for too long.
Damnit, I just spun up a droplet like three days ago.
Also, how much money does it take to add some dot files to arch?
If you ask AI to do all the work, including the smallest little things, I imagine you can burn through a lot of tokens very quickly.
Depends how overtly racist you are apparently
Never used it but as far as I understand it’s a curated version of arch Linux with various stuff installed and configured right?
Can’t say I hate the idea if it exposes people to Linux, but don’t see why a base configuration is worth investing in
It’s a collection of dotfiles and weak defaults. Prioritizing links to chatgpt and Claude over actual functionality
The pre-installed stuff is also often configured in a way they leaves it with massive security holes.
It’s literally this one techbro’s personal vibe coded Arch setup. Also, the guy is an all around awful person.
another one? again?
Damn, are we watching live growth of digital Fascist cancer here ? We all get spammed with this worthless, non-special OS in every information outlet, YT, SN’s and other for-profit junk outlets. People are getting paid to keep posting about it everywhere.
Pretty disgusting to see how rich Pschos think and act, and pretty disheartening to see our ‘non-enshittified’ world be enshittified in front of our eyes! Enshittification = Capitalization.
Boycott Omarchy by all means necessary, and help not spreading this Capitalist/Fascist cancer project anywhere.
Meanwhile the maintainers of the project it’s based on are unpaid.
They are funding the Hyprland maintainer.
I don’t like dhh and I think someone like him shouldn’t control this much money going into foss but I think the point of omacom is to pay those maintainers
Only the subset they like (it shouldn’t take you long to find what they said about why they made their own project, like who they wanted to exclude)
Do tell me why anyone should fund projects they don’t like.
Omacom Foundation launches with $18.5 million
It’s time to dream big. Omarchy Quattro has given people a chance to experience what the malleable computer of the future looks like, and they like it (a lot!). It now feels like a moral obligation to make this future more broadly available and fundamentally change how people relate to their computers for the first time in what seems like forever.
To do just that, I’m incorporating the Omacom Foundation to ensure that this mission is fully funded, durable, and ready to accelerate.
This nonprofit foundation will hold the trademarks, fund the infrastructure, promote the work, and support the open-source projects and developers Omarchy depends on.
These twelve Founding Patrons are each contributing $1 million to this mission:
- Tobi Lütke, CEO of Shopify
- Patrick Collison, CEO of Stripe
- Michael Dell, Chairman and CEO of Dell Technologies
- Jack Dorsey, Block Head and Chairman of Block
- Matthew Prince, CEO of Cloudflare
- Brendan Iribe, Cofounder of Sesame and Oculus
- Jason Fried, CEO of 37signals
- Drew Houston, cofounder and co-CEO of Dropbox
- Peter Steinberger, creator of OpenClaw
- Brian Armstrong, CEO of Coinbase
- Yunjie Dai, cofounder of TapTap
- Yours truly
These Founding Corporate Patrons are each contributing $1 million a year for three years or $1.5 million in tokens, with renewal by mutual agreement:
- DigitalOcean
- Meta Superintelligence Labs
If that many evil people/corpos are involved, run as fast as you can the other direction.
Give me community-based distros like Debian, Arch, Mint, etc. I like my Linux democratic, anti-corpo, and inclusive.
Multiple people mentioned there are on the Epstein list. They probably misheard “kitty exploit” as “kiddy exploit”.
It’s like a condensed list of the shittiest of tech people, Sans Google
yeah, google have two OSes they’re already holding people captive on.
I can’t even get to a boot screen on a family member’s chromebook to see if I can replace it with a different OS to ChromeOS. Android is getting demolished as we speak too.
For anyone who is struggling to figure out how to delete their DigitalOcean account (it’s not obvious):
- In Account Settings, delete all of your teams
- This redirected me to a different setting page with an option to deactivate my account
- Click Deactivate Account
- Select the checkbox to purge your account data
- Confirm that you’d like to deactivate and purge your account
- (Optional but recommended) Fill out the exit survey and tell them that they’re supporting a neo-Nazi
5 - Thanks for your input casually puts paper in bin, it was great having you…
- In Account Settings, delete all of your teams
wtf is even happening
arch people can’t catch a break it’s tragic
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters NVMe Non-Volatile Memory Express interface for mass storage PCIe Peripheral Component Interconnect Express VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)
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