What alternative are you going to make? My bank only publishes their app on Play Store. I can either use Play Store app or Aurora to install it. You think that if you build alternative, open source store my bank will publish their app there? You think any bank will? F-Droid already exists, do you see any banks publishing their apps there? Do you see any of them dong Linux version of their apps?
The alternative here would be some other corporation building independent app store and getting everyone to publish their apps there. Amazon tried that many years ago. Maybe Samsung could do it now. It’s definitely not something we can make.
I get the issue with the bank apps. Especially if your someone who needs to do a lot of transactions over the phone. But all these other apps, at this point we should have alternatives, its ridiculous.
I don’t know about FOSS stores but banks have been known to make apps and publish them on alternate stores (Samsung, Huawei, Amazon) if there are enough users. Off the top of my head, Revolut and ING Turkey have apps on the Huawei app store right now.
IMO this needs a regulatory push. If the EU encourages or requests EU-based app stores with relevant twists (regional for example), they will appear, and Google will have to accept them, and the banks will put their apps there.
No app developer wants to deal with Google Play, it’s ass and a pain in the. If a company has a local audience (like a national bank) and they get a store that caters specifically to that country and it’s easier to publish (and cheaper) than Google Play, they will use it.
Local stores don’t have to accept all apps, either. They can be regulated stores that are only open to certain entities in that country like banks, government apps, telecom, utility, public transport etc. That would take care of the most immediate needs for their citizens and liberate those from Google’s control.
100% agree that regulatory push is needed. Everything uses an app now and it’s not possible to force all the different developers to support deGoogled devices just by user pressure. There’s simply not enough of us. EU has to treat it as strategic issue for their US tech sovereignty and start acting.
Speaking of which, that’s an issue in itself. The vast majority of “apps” are basically webviews. And yet I’ve seen banks deprecate their website in favor of app-only access, which firmly locks them (and us) into the Google and Apple ecosystem, even when the website and the bank UI are one and the same.
I guess they won’t learn until there’s a major outage. I’ve had apps installed from Play that refused to start and were unusable for a whole week because Google fucked up something accidentally about the dev’s account. If that were to happen to a bank’s app they’d understand the issue. Especially if it’s one of the banks that are exclusively online, like Revolut.
Thats why we need an alternative.someone, some company, anyone that can make software that dosent rely on Google just to work.
Its crazy that even in the degoogle world, we still have to rely on Google. if the whole point is to not use Google, then what’s the point? We should have our stand alone apps should we not? We can’t make them but someone our there can.
We should have our stand alone apps should we not?
We should but I’m afraid that ship has sailed and without EU’s intervention it’s not going to change. I was trying to buy a train ticket recently and the app for local train requires Google account now. It will just keep getting worse and more and more apps will rely on Google services and require play services and google accounts. This will not be solved by open source apps. Legal solution is required.
What alternative are you going to make? My bank only publishes their app on Play Store. I can either use Play Store app or Aurora to install it. You think that if you build alternative, open source store my bank will publish their app there? You think any bank will? F-Droid already exists, do you see any banks publishing their apps there? Do you see any of them dong Linux version of their apps?
The alternative here would be some other corporation building independent app store and getting everyone to publish their apps there. Amazon tried that many years ago. Maybe Samsung could do it now. It’s definitely not something we can make.
Why not use their mobile site?
It’s not as convenient as the app.
I get the issue with the bank apps. Especially if your someone who needs to do a lot of transactions over the phone. But all these other apps, at this point we should have alternatives, its ridiculous.
I don’t know about FOSS stores but banks have been known to make apps and publish them on alternate stores (Samsung, Huawei, Amazon) if there are enough users. Off the top of my head, Revolut and ING Turkey have apps on the Huawei app store right now.
IMO this needs a regulatory push. If the EU encourages or requests EU-based app stores with relevant twists (regional for example), they will appear, and Google will have to accept them, and the banks will put their apps there.
No app developer wants to deal with Google Play, it’s ass and a pain in the. If a company has a local audience (like a national bank) and they get a store that caters specifically to that country and it’s easier to publish (and cheaper) than Google Play, they will use it.
Local stores don’t have to accept all apps, either. They can be regulated stores that are only open to certain entities in that country like banks, government apps, telecom, utility, public transport etc. That would take care of the most immediate needs for their citizens and liberate those from Google’s control.
100% agree that regulatory push is needed. Everything uses an app now and it’s not possible to force all the different developers to support deGoogled devices just by user pressure. There’s simply not enough of us. EU has to treat it as strategic issue for their US tech sovereignty and start acting.
Speaking of which, that’s an issue in itself. The vast majority of “apps” are basically webviews. And yet I’ve seen banks deprecate their website in favor of app-only access, which firmly locks them (and us) into the Google and Apple ecosystem, even when the website and the bank UI are one and the same.
I guess they won’t learn until there’s a major outage. I’ve had apps installed from Play that refused to start and were unusable for a whole week because Google fucked up something accidentally about the dev’s account. If that were to happen to a bank’s app they’d understand the issue. Especially if it’s one of the banks that are exclusively online, like Revolut.
Thats why we need an alternative.someone, some company, anyone that can make software that dosent rely on Google just to work.
Its crazy that even in the degoogle world, we still have to rely on Google. if the whole point is to not use Google, then what’s the point? We should have our stand alone apps should we not? We can’t make them but someone our there can.
We should but I’m afraid that ship has sailed and without EU’s intervention it’s not going to change. I was trying to buy a train ticket recently and the app for local train requires Google account now. It will just keep getting worse and more and more apps will rely on Google services and require play services and google accounts. This will not be solved by open source apps. Legal solution is required.