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As AI tech companies increasingly buy and destroy books to feed to their AI models, Anna’s Archive is calling for volunteers to help preserve them for the public record.
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Non-profit Copyright Infringement (a.k.a. Piracy) is a Moral Duty, IMHO.
the problem is also that in “modern” books (like 50s, 60s, 70’s and so on) these books themselves also tend to decay and just crumble after a time, due to some sort of process they do to the paper to create it. In order to truly preserve them you’d almost need like some sort of conditioned environment with the same temperature, no sunlight, stuff like that. Its a shame really, then again nothing in the world was meant to last forever.
I encourage the conversion of books to digital formats, it is just that the method here is shortsighted. The physical copies can be useful if something goes wrong, and can be appreciated by some humans after the digital archival has redundancy.
true, if history has taught us anything its that archiving is important. and digital archiving is also very important. its just that well there could be a future were people don’t even know how to read out all these digital devices anymore. and then they’ll be back in the stoneage.
Setting aside the bad ethics of destroying rare books, the capitalist in me is very confused: Wouldn’t you put in some effort to save the rare books, if only to sell them?
If you already have the data inside the books, you can put them up for auction, donating to libraries, and so forth. You get money, a reputation for ensuring that they find a home, have a physical backup if the storage drives fail, and so on.
…my inner capitalist is disillusioned. 🤨
The easiest, fastest, cheapest way to get good automated scans of every page of a book is to slice the spine off.
In some interpretation of copyright law, it’s considered a “transfer” rather than a “copy” if you destroy the physical original. (Ignore all subsequent copying of the digital version.)
Actually old and rare books are probably public domain, so that’s not an argument.
Also, most of the books they scan/destroy are low quality trashy novels that won’t even sell at thrift stores. But as they are written by humans it is still useful for training models.
Copyright nowadays is up from the original “25 years” to around “Death of author + 50 years” (a bit more in the US) which is almost always more than 100 years in total, so those “old” books are nowaday almost a century old or more.
(Well, sorta, if their copyright expired BEFORE new legislation was introduced to extend copyright length as has been regularly done for almost a century, those works didn’t got back under copyright after the extension, and as at least in the US copyright extension legislation was seeming driven by wanting to keep the first Mickey Mouse cartoon under copyright, at least in the US said “old” out of copyright books will mainly be from before 1928).
Not if the endgame is to control all Information and, if beneficial for you, to modify sources with no way to prove something different
Anna’s is the real deal
This feels like a “moment where good people took action in history books”.
The problem is there is not enough good people left in the world. Most are, if not evil, at least unwilling to take action
its not that theres a lack of good people, its just difficult to get into positions of power and remain good.
Or the evil ones have too much power
People are largely situational. “Bad situation = less good behaviour” is a pretty common trend
There are far more good people than evil people. Its just that the evil people are loud as fuck so they draw your attention more than good people.
Job Opening: Now Hiring
Description: Destroying the Library of Alexandria
Compensation: Minimum Wage ($7.25 per hour) plus free daily lunch (2 pizza slices)
Experience Required: Masters Degree in English, and at least 5 years experience working at a library or book store
Cover Letter: Please include a personal essay describing how destroying books gives you a personal sense of fulfillment
Obviously destroying books is the perfect job for me as it brings me closer to my german ancestors
I have access to a book scanner, but I’m not sure what books need to be scanned, are legal to be scanned and uploaded (I don’t want to get expelled for using a school scanner to do something illegal), or whether there is personally identifiable data in the PDFs it generates (I think I can also save in GIF and maybe PNG?). Is there a beginner’s guide anywhere for all this?
if you use the tor browser + public wifi they shouldnt be able to track you back. just make sure not to log into anything you accessed without tor
if you have any questions regarding OPSEC feel free to ask
Anna’s Archive does have guides for all of that (apart from the legal advice) on their site (use wikipedia to find the right domain).
I don’t think you’d want to do so as a university student unless you want to share the same fate as Aaron Swartz though.
Surely at least the stuff out of copyright is kosher to scan and share? Which seems like a good area to focus on if they’re being bought up and destroyed
Stuff that’s out of copyright isn’t an issue though.
The reason AI companies are destroying books is because current US copyright caselaw (most recently the Anthropic lawsuit) doesn’t allow books to be copied, but considers it fair use if you transform the format of a legally purchased book (like from print to digital) without creating a new copy. By destroying the original book, they haven’t made a copy of it, and so they operate within US law.
This doesn’t apply to public domain books (books that are no longer copyrighted) as you can do whatever you want with public domain content.
Maybe there is a way to do this anonymously? Anna’s Archive deals with books new and old, but maybe that ‘physical-only’ book that has no digital print would be the best place to start?
I remember no-eyes from #ebooks (IRCHighWay) prioritized recommendations of novels (fiction) to expand their available books, so I think that’s the safest type of book to scan?
Im gonna be real chief. Stop worrying about IP legality. Scan and upload everything you can get your hands on, wherever you can reasonably upload it.
AI companies are violating all copyright laws at all times of day and then destroying the originals, or even DMCA claiming them. You cannot fight that and be worried about legality.
I have repurposed an old Xbox external drive and have been ripping every optical disc in my extended family’s houses as well as opened it up to friends, anyone who wants to add to the collection is welcome to take from it, all I have to do is bring the drive with me, and they can grab whatever they want off it.
Fuck IP laws, fuck trademarks, fuck copyright.
If companies get to arbitrarily decide we can’t have access to things (especially if you have given someone money for it), then why should we give a fuck what they think?
Try your beat to cover your tracks while you do it, but if you can scan some rare books, please do. You’d be a hero
God the future is depressing
It doesn’t have to be, just structurally people are incentivized to do this
The best time to start was more than a year ago, the next best time to start is today.
The only book I have that might be worth scanning is Knight’s Modern Seamanship 13th edition from ~1960 (was provided to my mom as part of a record-finding request regarding my grandpa’s WW2 deployments, I have no idea why), but if my time in the Navy is any indication, its one of those things that was given during basic to all going through basic (I have a modern copy from 2007 as well), so idk if its a valuable contribution. Probably already in the archive.
I also have a copy of the joy of cooking from the 70s, and a Betty Crocker cookbook from the 50s, but I assume that’s also already in there. Plus some language textbooks and the like, some bird and geology books, some limnology books, etc. the sort of thing that’s definitely already there.
I’m willing to scan them, however a person does that, but I’m not willing to destroy them. The old books came from my grandparents, through my mom, and all of those people are long dead. Everything else is from my own education and I use them for reference.
There is a glaringly obvious issue with this article that I see a lot of people in the comments seem to have missed:
Only one copy of any given book exists The pretense to this entire thing is that AI companies are destroying the books both because of the process used AND to prevent competitors from accessing the book. There is more than ONE copy of that book. If you buy a book, that doesn’t prevent me from also buying that book. You can not like AI for a number of reasons, but this is just stupid.
NOTE: If destroying the book actually prevented competitors from accessing it, that means that all of these AI companies are only going out on the weekends to used bookstores looking for good deals on second hand books.
There are plenty of books out there that don’t have many copies.
AI companys would probably like this. Easier for them to get data.
Even if they do just end up using AA to build their data, at least WE get to also have a copy instead of it being destroyed.
Nothing will stop corpos from getting data.
But we can prevent them from paywalling access by having archives of our own.
Hmm, “archive of our own” sounds like a great name for something.
Eh, it’s a bit long.
We should make it shorter, like with an acronym or something.
Well, clearly AOOO is the right choice here.
Did you not even read the post? They ARE doing this and then destroying originals.
There’s a ton of ancient documents and books that don’t have copies of them (Chinese stuff for example that wasn’t all digitized), please tell me data centers aren’t seriously trying to take those as well and burn those as well
I think its a solid bet to say that if there’s a price on it, data centers will pay.
That being said, China is famously protective of their shit. So if its in their hands, its probably safe.
I wish I had a book scanner, I’d be digitizing every book on my shelf. I already have a good chunk of my forgotten realms stuff digitally (don’t ask where I got it) but there’s still a ton more I need, and I’ve finally gotten my spouse to read and their collection is getting almost as big as my own. There’s probably over 1,000 books between all my immediate family members.
I’m with you, mate! I want so badly to build one of these!
https://www.diybookscanner.org/en/intro.html
http://oldcomputer.info/hacks/diyscan/index.htm
https://www.diagtpro.com/scanning-made-easy-a-step-by-step-guide-to-building-a-diy-book-scanner/
https://www.instructables.com/Book-Scanner-Low-cost-easy-to-make-1000-pages-an-h/
How does one find the official Anna’s? I found a few that were shady af and were very obviously not real. Tor and i2p addresses are fine, too.
their wikipedia article should have the current domains, I was told before here
