So much for the constitution
I can’t wait for the EU to eagerly adopt this like they do for a lot of these dogshit US decisions.
The standards will not mandate perfect efficacy – they will allow for “an acceptably low level of evasion” against a bank of identified design files.
So they except this is basically an impossible task. Essentially they’re just going to check that the algorithm can detect the test examples, and then anything beyond that is an acceptably low level of evasion apparently.
In the same way you can buy all the stuff to make a bomb without ending up on a list, but if you do it the stupid way you’re going to get the SWAT team at your door.
The 3d printer firmware is bullshit outright IMO, but this seems like the most sober-minded attempt. NY’s law on the other hand is a fat lol
One of the most common uses for 3d printers is for cosplay props. I wonder if the lawmakers considered how this infringes on the rights of people trying to print prop guns from their favorite video games or anime?
They don’t even know what cosplays is lol
They don’t care
Should put the tracker in the filament, since most ghost guns just get a solvent bath when they’re done now.
They should put trackers on people instead
They already have those. They’re called “cell phones”
The bill requires manufacturers to embed a “firearm blueprint detection algorithm” in every model by July 2028.
by July 2028?? Welp that gives DIY gun-making enthisiasts plenty of time & advance notice to crank out as many guns possible 🤦🏼♀️
Surely you’re not suggesting people not update the firmware on their already purchased and perfectly functional 3D printer.
Not that is matters as this law has zero impact on guns
This what happens when a state is controlled by idiots. I wish we had opposition party that were not a bunch of boot licking freaks.
Idiots who don’t understand any industry other than public service, being useful idiots for the oligarchs that run the mega corps of the 5th largest economy in the world.
Good, means less lunatics waving around guns. No objection here.
To the people bitching, it’s a moot point when you can buy a gun at virtually every wallmart in the country.This is stupid easy to bypass plus you still need metal parts to make it work
Guns are actually really easy to make and can be assembled from parts found at a local hardware store. If you want something fancier you could even mill a gun out of metal
Yeah but a right wing incel maniac trying to get a gun to go blow away a high school isn’t going to know how to mill his own gun. He might download on and use his father’s 3D printer to make one.
Won’t they just use his father’s gun? That’s what they always seem to do.
You can’t use a 3D printer to make a working gun and it isn’t possible to distinguish a gun from anything else.
This is security theater that hurts the general public and small businesses while giving yet more power to the wealthy
How does it hurt the general public, exactly? By not letting them shoot each other?
Because mass surveillance is bad? I don’t want my printer to send everything I print to private companies
Even if you are somehow ok with the surveillance, there are still issues with copywrite. I’m pretty sure it would be pretty easy for some large company to seal ideas or to prevent you from making replacement parts for stuff that you bought and paid for
Be honest. What percentage of gun crimes do you think 3D printed guns are?
Probably zero.
I just like the idea of there being less guns on the street.
I also like the idea of access to guns being highly regulated.I don’t disagree with you.
But this type of law is the exact same as the age verification laws.
There’s a plausible sounding risk, but if you dig deeper it’s always the government reducing freedoms in a way that doesn’t really help the stated goals.
325 3d printed guns were seized in 2024. That’s a drop in the ocean.
What’s wrong with age verification laws, exactly?
They sell it as wanting to protect children, but what they really want is to be able to track everything you do on your device, because the verification will happen at the OS level.
It’s something that sounds sensible at first. Of course it would be great to be able to prevent children from going certain places online and interacting with predators.
But what’s actually happening is everyone is sacrificing their right to privacy for pretty much nothing, because anyone determined enough can get around any safety measure. And both kids and criminals excel at creativity getting around blocks.
Not to mention that a lot of the verification happens through private companies, who shouldn’t be trusted with it.
The first thing they need to add to their DRM thing is those flexible dragons that have taken over half the booths at a local comic con. That and The Rock’s head.
The dragon and Rock’s head is the Hello World of the 3D printer world.
Why? They are great.
They’re like 3D printer 101.
This is like seeing baby’s first print and they’re trying to sell it.
3d prints that aren’t even a person’s own design have no place being in a line up of artists
For a first print, yeah. This is more me bitching about the artist alley of all my local cons being filled with 3D printed garbage than it is an endorsement of terrible DRM practices.
No really what it is is it’s what people want it’s what people like it’s what people enjoy so of course they’re being made. You have to remember only a small percentage of people own 3D printers but a lot of people really like the stuff that’s made from 3D printers. So they’re not being marketed towards you they’re being marketed towards everybody else. And they sell really well.
You’re describing 3D kitsch, not 3D art
I never said 3d art. I said there is a place for these. They were created by artists and some are absolutely amazing.
(1) Use DRM 3d printer to print copyleft non-DRM 3d printer
(2) Profit??
The bill is sponsored by a company selling gun detection technology
You don’t even need to print anything. Just run Klipper instead of the stock firmware.
OP why are you posting a 3 month old article with no updated information or that needed context that this was in the past? There was a discussion then.
It’s almost like you are trying to upset people again for sport, because reddit broke your brain and you think internet points are important. Almost like that.
3 months isn’t 3 years. First I heard of this
I think about this a lot.
Sometimes I learn about news that greatly affects my hobby but then notice it’s like a month old.
And I wonder - so I share it? Do I sit with it? Do others know about it?
Assuming positive intent, OP thought the former.
Guess Californians need to grab an old printer real quick and hang on to it.
It won’t just affect Californians. Printer manufacturers will make one model for everyone, and it will comply with this law.
California needs to start pushing laws to shut down hardware stores, department stores, shopping malls, and office supply stores since you can buy things in those places to also create makeshift weapons.
Isn’t California the state where you need to be 18 just to by spray paint?
I think we are already headed in that direction
Many states have similar laws for things you can inhale to get high.
I have a mini mill in my garage. I makeb ghost firearms as a hobby.
I have a bit of experience with a mill, but even if I *didn’t * these are not hard skills to learn yourself. A couple hundred bucks for a mini mill on marketplace and a few hunted bucks for a blank and some tooling and anybody could be making ghost guns in their living room.
DIY 3D printers aren’t that difficult. It’s just two or three motors, a motion controller and a hot nozzle for most plastic printing. Replace the hot nozzle with a really epic laser for metal parts or possibly a stick welder. Even better with lithographic printing minus the really toxic fumes of the material. Take a really bright high resolution screen or maybe a projector and one motor and you got yourself a lithographic printer. Are you going to compete directly with cutting edge printers? Probably not. Will you still be able to make shit that works? Most likely after some tinkering.
Do folks generally think it’s a good idea to be able to print a gun that gets past metal detectors?
3D printed guns do not “get past metal detectors.” This is not nuance. It’s not a matter of techicalities. You just told a bold faced lie, and you did it speficially to try ro fear monger.
Printed guns still require metal springs, metal pins, metal bolts, metal barrels, and metal ammunition.
No, most people realize that it’s a nonsense argument based off a couple action movies. Same reason they banned butterfly knives and nunchucks in many states despite the fact that you can have any other knife and say a lock in a sock. It’s hype based pearl clutching. Why sneak a pos plastic gun through a metal detector when the better option that is already used is to wait for the target outside, or to just run in guns blazing? The whole concept of “ghost guns” is the same way. Criminals already are not getting tracked down by serial numbers. Even without the 2A arguments though, this is a stupid thing to put on 3d printers.
Printing a gun without a license can be and likely is currently illegal. You can just use traditional manufacturing methods to do the same thing anyways. It’s not rocket science. The issue is the control over people to maybe prevent them from doing what you’re saying. We could install cameras in everyone’s house to make super sure they’re not breaking any laws. I think you now see the problem. More control, more safety, less freedom. At the end of the day there’s a simple way around any of these control measures and all we’re doing is giving up freedom for nothing.
Printing a gun without a license can be and likely is currently illegal*
*Highly dependant on location, in much of the US it is completely legal, you just can’t sell it.
I’ll have to double check this… usually weapons manufacturing is pretty well controlled. Then again there’s always a way. Like no one thought that fertilizer sales should be monitored until the Unabomber.
It’s more that identifying a gun from a million other vaguely gun-like shapes, as well as completely non-gunlike shapes that are in fact guns… It’s an insane question to expect any software to solve, even an AI with a whole datacenter devoted to this one problem wouldn’t even begin to approach solving it.
Pop tarts may need to be banned
With that logic you should have mandatory reporting of anyone entering a hardware store. Neither of these is a real problem.
I don’t think Tetsuya Yamagami used 3d printed parts. This has nothing to do with making things safe.
You can’t 100% 3D print a working gun that won’t be as dangerous to the user as it is to the target.
You still need some actual metal gun parts to make it do gun things properly.
It wont be about the guns. Its about control.
Yes, stopping gun crime is how they sell it; protecting corporate profits by preventing home-made repairs and prototyping is how they will use it.
There’s pedophiles roaming the streets and no one can afford healthcare or housing but yeah, lets make useless laws to try and regulate 3d printers…
Two crimes can happen at once in different places
Except nobody is being prosecuted for this, in fact the only person that sits in prison, got moved to minimum security one and a pardon is being considered for her.
Senate just appointed the very person directly responsible for it to head the Department of Justice.
We are literally being run by pedophiles, or pedophile protectors at best and it couldn’t be any clearer that there are two justice systems.
When the UH CEO was killed with 3D printed gun I remember being puzzled why trump, trump jr, musk and other members of the Epstein class became vocal about this, to me it seemed like a random murder. Now I understand that to them it was significant because member of their class was killed, this is also why musk was wearing his son as armor, because they were genuinely scared that their class war was firing back.
This isn’t going to do anything about crime.
Well, no. It’ll create a whole new class of crimes.
Then why did you bring other crimes up? Sorry. But you have no idea how you sound. You directly said “there are these crimes, why are we wasting laws on these other crimes” and wonder why I responded as I did.
You currently can not fully 3D print a gun
Even if you could, distinguishing a gun from everything else is impossible. This is more about people using 3D printing for right to repair
You don’t know it’s impossible. That’s just insane to think that recognition software can tell that a person’s seatbelt is on if that there is someone at their front door with a package or a bicycle means it’s likely possible.
It literally is impossible. The only thing going to a 3d printer is a series of commands to the the various stepper motors and heating elements what to do. It would have to be capable of reversing this code to reconstruct the object being printed. A printer is not going to have enough processing power to do this if it’s even possible at all.
The computer it’s connected to does
My point was their priorities are completely out of wack, and also that this law is useless and shows that they have no idea how 3d printers work so they are wasting time on this to do literally zero good. If the concern is around preventing crime, this is not the way to do it.
Once again. Two crimes can happen at the same time. Prioritizing it is the authorities job. Not yours.
That’s why I’m here commenting about it for free on the internet instead of being paid to prioritize things that actually matter over ineffective bullshit.
Roaming the streets? They are sitting in the fucking white house.
