So much for the constitution
You’d think with a title that says “California just passed a law”, that it would actually be about California passing a law. It still has to go through the senate and then get signed by the governor.
Edit: The bill was passed in the Assembly back in May. This is a nearly 3 month old article.
I can’t wait for the EU to eagerly adopt this like they do for a lot of these dogshit US decisions.
I guess we’re returning to reprap then. That’ll actually be good for innovation, I think.
In the short term i think people will just drive out of state, like they already do for actual guns. CA gun laws are aimed at the working class, thanks Reagan.
One of the most common uses for 3d printers is for cosplay props. I wonder if the lawmakers considered how this infringes on the rights of people trying to print prop guns from their favorite video games or anime?
Well it’s not like anyone in California needs lots of props.
they did not
They don’t care
They don’t even know what cosplays is lol
Yeah, sigh I know… It was facetious but an obvious argument I haven’t seen pushed where there is actually some money behind it.
Let’s get rid of, or use less, plastic! No, says coffee pods and 3d printers.
While I get what your saying, I do think 3D printers reduce waste as they allow people to fix there own stuff
Yup, plastic parts on headset broke. Could not wear it in a useable manner anymore, taping did not hold.
Printed replacement parts (which I could not buy anywhere), still using it today. Good as new.
3D printing is a blessing if you’re not just using it to print flex-dragons.
The standards will not mandate perfect efficacy – they will allow for “an acceptably low level of evasion” against a bank of identified design files.
So they except this is basically an impossible task. Essentially they’re just going to check that the algorithm can detect the test examples, and then anything beyond that is an acceptably low level of evasion apparently.
They just want to destroy open source firmware. They hate freedom from corporate control, not guns.
In the same way you can buy all the stuff to make a bomb without ending up on a list, but if you do it the stupid way you’re going to get the SWAT team at your door.
The 3d printer firmware is bullshit outright IMO, but this seems like the most sober-minded attempt. NY’s law on the other hand is a fat lol
Can I have 12 bottles of bleach please?
Anyone who was a serious threat is by definition not going to do it the stupid way anybody who gets swatted is an idiot and probably wasn’t a threat to begin with, except to themselves.
It’s already illegal to shoot people so why is it more illegal to shoot people with a plastic gun?
I agree, yet people get caught. This makes simply authorizes that, which I’m not inherently against. All I’m saying is, of all the things in the world, this isn’t the absolute worst thing that could happen and at least it isn’t (currently) being used by that state as a pretext for even more surveillance.
It isn’t more illegal to shoot people with a plastic gun; if anything it’s less illegal because you don’t need to lie on a form about your status to obtain a gun.
I think your arguing with what you think I’m saying instead if what I actually said. I believe we’re in agreement with different nuanced takes that affect that agreement. I agree this is dumb and a bad precedent that will likely be ineffective (just like virtually all other punitive preventative measures). I still think it could be worse.
TL; DR: this law to me feels more along the lines of “let’s stop giving away guns at candy shops” than “let’s completely fix everything all at once” It’s sober minded and an attempt at appeasing their constituency. I disagree with it, but it could be worse and probably won’t hurt.
In case anyone is wondering why something so idiotic: The destruction of 3D printing: Bloomberg is behind it - YouTube
Of course this is not something a rag like the register and a fraudulent “Cybersecurity reporter” Connor Jones would tell you, but instead trying to actively hide from you. Even thought the evidence is right there. They’d rather tell you some stupid story.
This is yet another mad plutocrat meddling in democracy and neoliberalism and pundits providing some nonsense explanation to distract people.
Criminals have easy access to real guns, they won’t bother with printing plastic ones. A terrorist will just go to a place where they don’t monitor to print them.
Even more pointless than DRM on movies.
https://all3dp.com/2/how-to-build-a-3d-printer-from-a-kit-or-from-scratch/
That seems like a nightmare to set up.
Feels like people casually mocking car registration by pointing to the Hot Rod from Home Improvement.
I mean, sure. It can be done. But I failed to install a water cooling kit in my computer after a very long and harrowing weekend. I’m not fucking with this.
Same. Unfortunately I wasn’t born blessed with those levels of autism. I see a complex project that’d be awesome for my hobby and I change hobbies.
It more like mocking car registration because every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day, the city already has several thousand car factories that don’t require registration, there’s no mechanism to enforce registration, and the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars. The motivation for requiring registration is also to stop people from driving full speed into fast food restaurants is custom built murder buggys. Yeah, you don’t want people to do that but it’s not like it really happens all that often.
Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch. It’s basically screwing parts together and plugging colored wires into matching slots.
every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day
How many cars does the city demand be produced each day? Cause my own city of Houston sees over 380k new cars sold annually.
the city already has several thousand car factories that don’t require registration
Itty bitty ones, sure. And they take weeks to produce a working vehicle, of substandard quality.
there’s no mechanism to enforce registration
Until you get pulled over
the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars
A plastic car that can go maybe a few hundred miles before falling apart if it’s made perfectly.
Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch
You can build cars from a kit, too. But I’m not going to do that when I can buy a used Corolla or KIA for couch cushion money and drive it into the ground over the next fifteen years.
I’m not sure honestly sure what your point is, because you went a bit too far with the analogy.
Itty bitty ones, sure. And they take weeks to produce a working vehicle, of substandard quality.
This was about regulating 3d printers, not guns. A diy printer, a new drm printer and an old not-drm printer produce the same quality output.
A diy 3d printer is just as durable as a purchased one.
If your goal is to have an unregistered car, or in this case a drm free printer, the law seems silly when you can get one for cheaper than the “proper” one and have it out together in an afternoon if you have highschool level mechanical aptitude.
I’m not sure honestly sure what your point is
3D printers produce plastic crap.
Okay? What does that have to do with the drm mandate being easy to get around?
Is your point that it’s okay to put unenforceable, easily bypassed restrictions on stuff if you think they’re bad?What does that have to do with the drm mandate being easy to get around?
You can get around the DRM mandate with a bicycle. That doesn’t mean you’ve solved the underlying problem
Don’t worry. It won’t be long before possession of an unregistered 3D printer becomes a crime, too.
I thought this bill did that, but it looks like they crossed out the consumer circumvention clauses anyway.
Do folks generally think it’s a good idea to be able to print a gun that gets past metal detectors?
With that logic you should have mandatory reporting of anyone entering a hardware store. Neither of these is a real problem.
It wont be about the guns. Its about control.
Yes, stopping gun crime is how they sell it; protecting corporate profits by preventing home-made repairs and prototyping is how they will use it.
I don’t think Tetsuya Yamagami used 3d printed parts. This has nothing to do with making things safe.
It’s more that identifying a gun from a million other vaguely gun-like shapes, as well as completely non-gunlike shapes that are in fact guns… It’s an insane question to expect any software to solve, even an AI with a whole datacenter devoted to this one problem wouldn’t even begin to approach solving it.
Pop tarts may need to be banned
You can’t 100% 3D print a working gun that won’t be as dangerous to the user as it is to the target.
You still need some actual metal gun parts to make it do gun things properly.
No, most people realize that it’s a nonsense argument based off a couple action movies. Same reason they banned butterfly knives and nunchucks in many states despite the fact that you can have any other knife and say a lock in a sock. It’s hype based pearl clutching. Why sneak a pos plastic gun through a metal detector when the better option that is already used is to wait for the target outside, or to just run in guns blazing? The whole concept of “ghost guns” is the same way. Criminals already are not getting tracked down by serial numbers. Even without the 2A arguments though, this is a stupid thing to put on 3d printers.
Printing a gun without a license can be and likely is currently illegal. You can just use traditional manufacturing methods to do the same thing anyways. It’s not rocket science. The issue is the control over people to maybe prevent them from doing what you’re saying. We could install cameras in everyone’s house to make super sure they’re not breaking any laws. I think you now see the problem. More control, more safety, less freedom. At the end of the day there’s a simple way around any of these control measures and all we’re doing is giving up freedom for nothing.
Printing a gun without a license can be and likely is currently illegal*
*Highly dependant on location, in much of the US it is completely legal, you just can’t sell it.
I’ll have to double check this… usually weapons manufacturing is pretty well controlled. Then again there’s always a way. Like no one thought that fertilizer sales should be monitored until the Unabomber.
3D printed guns do not “get past metal detectors.” This is not nuance. It’s not a matter of techicalities. You just told a bold faced lie, and you did it speficially to try ro fear monger.
Printed guns still require metal springs, metal pins, metal bolts, metal barrels, and metal ammunition.
Its not like americans can be trusted not to make their own bang sticks so fair enough.
Getting a proper industrially manufactured firearm has never been easier.
The paranoia around Ghost Guns is more an expression of the gun regulation movement’s impotence.
If you want a gun in this country, and you’ve got more than a couple hundred dollars, you can get one.
not much more difficult to make a much more effective gun out of stock metal (or so I’ve heard), but they don’t mandate government surveillance on the personal property of every person who owns a welding torch
Although metal working requires skill, but downloading and 3d printing stuff not so much.
I think people think this kind of metalwork is difficult. It’s really not.
From what I’ve seen, 3d printing a firearm isn’t worth the trouble. Especially when you can get 80%'s and finish them with a drill press.
80% Glock frames only require simple hand tools.
That kind of metal working? Just to make a dogshit pipe gun that is mostly likely unsafe for the user too? Really doesn’t require a ton of skill. Probably more than using a user friendly 3D printer but probably less than a fiddly one.
Making a full on machine gun is literally one of the original cottage industries. They’re hard to design but the actual fabrication can be so dumbed down that you can make it out of non un-common household tools with minimal skill.
Some of the tricky bits are making the weapon fire slower, so it doesn’t jam or get so hot rounds fire before they’re actually in the chamber. Or just keeps firing because releasing the trigger wasn’t enough to keep the recoil from keeping it going.
If your goal is to give everyone in the UK too young, old or woman to draft a machine gun to make the Germans regret invading, then a horde of cockney 8 year olds with uncontrolled machine guns and poor trigger discipline is certainly a choice.
Has a 3d printed gun been used in a crime? Ever?
Brian Thompson ?
Truly the type of people that need saving.
Ask Luigi Mangione
Very good point. Planting evidence of a crime is itself a crime. /joke
Did Luigi Mangione do anything wrong?
News to me.
Not all illegal activities are morally wrong.
Just like how not all law abiding citizens are moral.
Very true based. Also happy cake day :)
Thank you!
No because it isn’t possible to make a working gun with a 3D printer
However it is possible to make a gun with a few supplies from a hardware store
Very few. The ATF’s definition of “ghost gun” also includes ordinary firearms that have had the serial number filed off (which is a crime to do). The vast majority of crimes committed with “ghost guns” are committed with those; ordinary guns with the serial numbers scratched off
I’d love to know how they expect printer manufacturers to do this, given all they do is read gcode. Do the legislation makers even know what a slicer is?
If it ever take forms, it will be absolutely unenforceable with how many devices currently operates. Aside from a ban on open hardware (good luck with that), nothing will happen.
Unfortunately, being technically impossible to enforce is of little consequence. It just becomes a convenient law to pull out if they want to hammer you down and you happen to have a 3D printer that don’t have this built-in.
Absolutely fuckin not
Of course they know what a slicer is. Most of these people existed long before pre-cut loaves were sold at the stores.
I went to a CA committee hearing (and I got to meet Louis Rossmann in the process) and I guarantee you the people supporting this bill and the committee voting on it generally have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.
Serious question: why do they feel like they are qualified to make decisions on it then? Like if I was in that position, I would defer to an expert committee or professional association.
What happens is they do defer to the expert. The expert is a plant by which ever lobbiest chose to sponsor the bill. I’m had correspondences with my government about fields I am intimately familiar with and their arguments about technical feasibility were given to them by their Big4 “expert”. The problem is I know the field well enough to understand their expert is simply giving the opinion they were paid to give and the technical feasibility of the proposals take a back seat to the political desire of the people pushing the proposal.
Someone’s “lobbying” them to make this decision.
Also Michael Blomberg has spent over $50M to push for this bill to pass.
There’s pedophiles roaming the streets and no one can afford healthcare or housing but yeah, lets make useless laws to try and regulate 3d printers…
There’s pedophiles roaming the streets
That was oddly specific.
Two crimes can happen at once in different places
Except nobody is being prosecuted for this, in fact the only person that sits in prison, got moved to minimum security one and a pardon is being considered for her.
Senate just appointed the very person directly responsible for it to head the Department of Justice.
We are literally being run by pedophiles, or pedophile protectors at best and it couldn’t be any clearer that there are two justice systems.
When the UH CEO was killed with 3D printed gun I remember being puzzled why trump, trump jr, musk and other members of the Epstein class became vocal about this, to me it seemed like a random murder. Now I understand that to them it was significant because member of their class was killed, this is also why musk was wearing his son as armor, because they were genuinely scared that their class war was firing back.
Whataboutism at it’s finest. Two crimes can happen at the same time. Just because one crime “matters” and the others don’t according to you, doesn’t mean that they both shouldn’t be enforced or examined.
This isn’t going to do anything about crime.
Then why did you bring other crimes up? Sorry. But you have no idea how you sound. You directly said “there are these crimes, why are we wasting laws on these other crimes” and wonder why I responded as I did.
My point was their priorities are completely out of wack, and also that this law is useless and shows that they have no idea how 3d printers work so they are wasting time on this to do literally zero good. If the concern is around preventing crime, this is not the way to do it.
Once again. Two crimes can happen at the same time. Prioritizing it is the authorities job. Not yours.
That’s why I’m here commenting about it for free on the internet instead of being paid to prioritize things that actually matter over ineffective bullshit.
You currently can not fully 3D print a gun
Even if you could, distinguishing a gun from everything else is impossible. This is more about people using 3D printing for right to repair
You don’t know it’s impossible. That’s just insane to think that recognition software can tell that a person’s seatbelt is on if that there is someone at their front door with a package or a bicycle means it’s likely possible.
It literally is impossible. The only thing going to a 3d printer is a series of commands to the the various stepper motors and heating elements what to do. It would have to be capable of reversing this code to reconstruct the object being printed. A printer is not going to have enough processing power to do this if it’s even possible at all.
The computer it’s connected to does
Well, no. It’ll create a whole new class of crimes.
Roaming the streets? They are sitting in the fucking white house.
Trump fucks kids. Never forget
Are we even fucking free any more?
