Over the past months it has become increasingly apparent that the 196 moderation team has a member who does not align with the goals and values of the rest of the team.

196 has a very clear stance on tankies and other authoritarians. No authoritarian apologia of any kind is allowed in our space. It’s not our intent to tell leftists how to be leftist, but we’re not willing to allow somebody we so fundamentally disagree with to moderate our community.

Based on this stance we’ve decided to remove Kittenzrulz from the moderation team.

Why demote Kittenzrulz123?

Kittenzrulz has consistently been opposed to the condemnation of tankies and has made several worrying statements that show that there’s a deep ideological gulf between her and 196.

Furthermore it should be noted that kittenzrulz has not taken part in moderation decisions on lemmy for months, while she is only somewhat active on the matrix (as a mod). This will not be a major change in that sense.

The following is a list of screenshots that should help to showcase what we mean.

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This one is from yesterday

Demoting Kittenzrulz123

First to be clear we’re not banning her from the lemmy community or the matrix space and she is free to continue to interact with all of us. We still want her around as we think of her as a friend who we care about and want to see happy and healthy, though we understand this decision might cause kittenz some stress.

As of this moment kittenzrulz is no longer a mod of 196. A vote was held and all mods that voted voted in favor of demoderation, with a few mods abstaining (either due to not having an opinion on this or due to being inactive).

And just to make sure everybody is on the same page, this is not a condemnation of kittenz as a person. People can disagree on things and still get along, we’re just not comfortable letting her make decisions on our behalf and want to prevent any further problems we see as a likely outcome.

  • erotador@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    1 month ago

    please try to remember that nobody should be rude to kittenz, while we disagree with them they dont deserve any harrasment

    • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 month ago

      I appreciate both you and Jorunn for spearheading this. I know it wasn’t an easy thing to do.

      I second everything both of you said. I implore everyone to not make this situation worse for her than it already is.

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    1 month ago

    Post text be like “we’re worried kittenz may be a tankie” meanwhile the attached screenshots are all “I’m an unironic tankie I use that word to describe myself I’m not a tankie but I love the USSR I think using tanks to crush dissent is good”

    Yeah I think you maybe did the right thing

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    1 month ago

    A mod team sensibly policing their own to uphold their own ideals? Basing their decision on repeated patterns and evidence??

    Fuck and color me impressed.

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    1 month ago

    You know the classic “I’m not racist but” lie racists tell? A lot of people with bad opinions try to pre-emptively cover their ass with a lie, then go “but” and share their actual opinion. Reading through the examples with this in mind… Yeah, I’m glad she’s no longer a mod. Good call.

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    1 month ago

    Lemming to tankie pipeline is so real. I guess it makes since that’s why the devs made Lemmy in the first place. And now we all contribute to their recruitment strategy by making Lemmy more appealing to leftists who aren’t (yet) authoritarians.

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        1 month ago

        Which doesn’t really happen.

        Tankies like that Alsaas troll and her tankie promoting leftymeme comm are more of an issue :)

        Oh wait, don’t you mod that comm too?

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          29 days ago

          Alsaas is a transmed who thinks being a ML trans woman who simps for Stalin means stalking wouldn’t have had her killed.

          She’s hopelessly lost

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        1 month ago

        I’ve been away from Lemmy’s political discourse for awhile now since I was focused on making gaming content real on here. Is it really that bad nowadays? Do you have any recent examples on your mind?

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            1 month ago

            I hope you’re right!

            I’m fairly new to Lemmy. So far, I love the moderation approach of much of Lemmy, “don’t be an assholr and especially dont be a Nazi”.

            I think people that come here are attracted to that, they’re also distrustful of social media. It’s a breath of fresh air to come here and be like, “phew, no Nazis” but then you get excited whem you find places like Hexbear, and you’re like, “ooooo openly leftist” and if you’re already distrustful of social media you might believe you’re brainwashed by capitalism and be willing to give the idea of authoritism communism a try because you’ve been lied to about SOME of the left.

            Tankie instances make you question reality. Unfortunately, normal instances don’t seem to correct tankies.

            Idk, I think of Watership Down a lot. Going from a shitty post capitalistic briar to a Utopia seeming authoritive briar the bunnies kinda find it OK. Until they don’t. Eventually, spoiler alert

            spoiler

            __the bunnies and a badass bird do make their perfect briar but it doesn’t really maintain without an educated populace. Something about birds are bunnies too

            Idk, I should reread that book. But I think its applicable here

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    1 month ago

    some of the included screenshots are kittenz just straight up saying things that are simply correct which kinda undercuts the decision a bit i think…