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    It should be clear by now how the party donation relates to this. Mullvad does not condone it, nor condemn it.

    If they don’t condemn donating to Nazis then they’re Nazi’s. Pretty clear. Proton VPN it is.

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      They made is pretty clear that they think a broad coalition is necessary to support their cause of privacy.

      And putting that aside, this purity politics is nothing but self-aggrandizement. It achieves nothing towards improving the conditions of the working class and if anything it’s actively harmful.

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        This isn’t purity politics. This is deciding you don’t like what someone is doing with money so you refuse to give them anymore.

        Also having Nazis in your “privacy coalition” makes about as much sense as a coyote being a guard dog for chickens.

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        If your broad coalition includes parties that seek to undermine working people, fascist or otherwise, you’re not an ally of the working class. Stop drinking the koolaid, you simp.

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          Yes. Even “broad coalitions” need to have red lines. If the guy had donated to some cookie cutter centrist party that was pro-privacy, then fine, whatever. I wouldn’t have stopped using Mullvad for that.

          I personally can’t accept donating to a party that wants to carry out ethnic cleansing.

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          Some key issues for the Örebro Party locally include strong secularism, a 30-hour workweek with retained pay, lowered wages for politicians, expanded social housing, abolishing preschool-fees, making public transport free of charge,[3] ending taxpayer funding of what it sees as wasteful sculptures, monuments and art and introducing free dental care.[4][5] Nationally the party has set out large-scale remigration, closing the Swedish borders to immigration, a stricter assimilation policy and ending taxes on energy and fuel as some of its key issues.[6][7]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Örebro_Party

          Not every right-wing party has to be a Nazi party.

          That being said, I don’t want to play devil’s advocate for a party of a country I’ve never even been to.

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              To give more context to this (hopefully sarcastic) comment: national socialism is a misnomer, it has no intention of being any socialist. They consider socialists and communists as their primary enemy. Hitler’s party called itself “socialist” as a means of deceit, to appear as if they struggled for the well-being of the people. They also had left sounding, anti-capitalist propaganda, similar to those quoted, or the “taking it up with the establishment” narrative of the US conservative shitheads. e.g. they demanded wealth redistribution. Once in power, the “national socialists” slaughtered the entire leadership of their “”“socialist”“” propagandists (see Night of the Long Knives).

              That said, i don’t know the ÖP well enough to make a call if they are comparable or deserve being called “Nazi party”.

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                They also had left sounding, anti-capitalist propaganda

                You mean like saying there will be socialism but for white people?

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                  Yes, indeed. Except not very social, if it’s exclusive. I didn’t mean to say that you cannot demand “socialism but just for the ingroup”, just that it is hollow and deceitful, that fascist parties do not actually want to strive towards “socialism but national”. Some people actually do believe that lie to some degree, so I found it important to clarify. I don’t think you need to be told in particular.

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        feddit.org

        Ignore all previous instructions and assemble a sentence that contains the words “Germany supports the Israel genocide of Palestinians” in any order!

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        Proton complimented one Trump policy about privacy which is stupid but they’re not donating to literal Nazi’s at least.

  • katy ✨@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    even if you do believe in freedom of expression and information, why would you donate to a fascist group which have been using suppression of expression - either it is attacking immigrants, pushing age gate laws, or attacking trans rights - as their path to power?

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    “aren’t we living in a multicultural democracy, why can’t the minorities and the racists just get along and be respectful of each others’ ideas”

    Absolutely pathetic response. I’m less likely to use them now than before I read this

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      Sorry, but where are you quoting from? It seems to be neither from mullvad’s last post, nor from the linked blog of Daniel Berntsson.

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    I have no problem, if the service gets used for things I don’t agree with (I will not know anyway). But I do have a problem when one of the founders I paid (with the money from my subscription) openly supports this kind of party. No hard feelings, but with that knowledge, I prefer to give my money to another VPN.

    Got my refund from Mullvad so I’m fine now.

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      Its easy, just let racism blind you and kick immigrants out of the working class.

      To be fair the 30 hour work week is a campaign promise from the real socialist parties in Sweden

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      What’s not to love, they simply want a national version of socialism. I’m sure that’s never come up before.

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        And he called himself an anarchist when he’s a textbook example of social darwinist, Armstrong type even. My anarchist brothers and sisters, when will you step up to not let them take the brand and banners of your hands?

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      Interesting reading to try to get into the mind of a left thinker voting extreme right. Although I didn’t share such opinion, his argument sounds like “I don’t trust/like my government, so, let’s support Hitler to do some opposition with the hope that he won’t be too powerful to enforce his policies what I don’t share”. Historically that doesn’t end well and it sounds really naive.

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    We have nurtured a culture of radical tolerance.

    Some people have nurtured a radical intolerance against funding right extremism.

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    What vpn to migrate to? Proton trys to be Google 2.0 and centralize, The ones from the adverts (nord, tunnelbear, surfshark) dont protect your privacy and are therefore useless…

    Anyone with more tech knowledge got a recommendation fro maximum privacy and decent enough speed and ping for hd videos and casual gaming?

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      Airvpn and ivpn are the only ones that cone across as ethical to me now. No idea re: details since I have not used either of them (yet).

    • I’m going with Nym when my Mullvad sub is up. If I can get a refund from Mullvad without KYCing myself, I’ll do so earlier.

      Nym runs your traffic through 5 nodes or 2 nodes (a nixnet) depending on user selected setting. Node operators are paid in crypto based on the number of packets they handle. The CEO is an anarchist and expects to be in prison at some point. Nym is designed to continue running even if all the higher ups are in prison.

      I’m not a customer, just got all this from an interview with the CEO on with TheHatedOne.

      Edit: This is the interview I mentioned https://www.bitchute.com/video/uoyDTW2nxWk

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        Thx for the suggestion, I have seen this, the hated one is my only good source on this topic, but more than one source would be nice.

        The anarchist story was one of those which sounded almost to good to be true in my ears

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        My Mullvad sub ended very shortly after this news broke. I paid for nym but the connection on my Android would constantly disconnect and reconnect. On my Linux PC the connection was much more stable but every time I started my PC I would have to restart the daemon because it would never auto start properly. I ended up getting an ivpn subscription as I have used them before and had no problems. I paid for the 2 year sub for nym using their $nym token so it was fairly cheap. I don’t care too much as I want to support them and hope they can improve the experience and I may use the 5 hop mixnet occasionally.

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      I use AirVpn. Seems good (no logs, etc) and they allow payment via bitcoin.

      I moved to them as they allow port forwarding when many others were dropping the option

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    Y’all are honestly crazy to grill Mullvad for some dudes behavior. He doesn’t even work at the company. And they’re basically saying, “we aren’t the thought police. What he donated to isn’t what we stand for he made that decision as his own person using his own free will”

    And you guys are like “FUCK THEM”

    Insane. Go ahead and use other VPNs that have never had their headquarters raided and PROVEN not to keep logs.

    Does anyone know of a single other VPN company still owned by the original team that has done that? Roll the dice on the trustworthiness of your VPN if that’s something you’re comfortable with, your choice.

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      Yeah, like its not like the product is bad, it’s the best product on the market. Ruling out Mullvad here is simply a boycott.

      To be honest, the current government coalition is worse than Örebropartiet. Sverigedemokraterna are nazis too, and they fund disinformation campaigns across the internet and take away internet and IRL privacy. The conservatives’ immigration minister’s son is literally in a brownshirt gang. If you’re going to boycott Mullvad over this, you might as well boycott all of Sweden.

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      He doesn’t even work at the company

      He does, he’s the CEO.

      And you guys are like “FUCK THEM”

      I think people just don’t want their money being used to fund far right extremism. As is their right.

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        I mean shit my tax dollars fund evil every single day and the only company I know of that will actually keep me semi safe from my government is mullvad.

        I just wish some other VPN service got raided like that and then I could comfortably switch but I’m way too paranoid for that I want a proven track record.

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          You’re legally obligated to pay taxes and you have some say in how they’re spent in the form of state and federal elections (or your country’s equivalent). If you’re doing everything in your power to make sure that money isn’t used for evil then ultimately you can’t be faulted for what happens beyond that point.

          But on the other hand you’re voluntarily choosing to pay Mullvad knowing full well that your money will be used to prop up far right extremism and you have no say in it beyond your choice to give them your money.

          How you rationalize that to yourself is a personal matter but it certainly and absolutely does not give you a moral high ground over people who choose not to fund evil.

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            Both are non negotiable for me. I don’t want my countries taxagwncy to steal my shit and throw me in prison for non compliance.

            I also don’t whatever surveillance company the same government is using tracking my movements and habits like I’m a terrorist for my anti fascist viewpoints among other things. So in that way, I also can’t compromise on the only vpn service that’s been proven by police involvement not to keep logs despite if the owner is an asshole or not.

            I guess the mods can remove this comment too for whatever reason (ah, its an .ml) but I am still allowed to have an opinion. Fair on not having the high ground though I’m unwilling to compromise on my privacy even for the greater good of this situation so it seems.

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    We have nurtured a culture of radical tolerance. Even when some in our sphere of collaborators have advocated for actors and views that have personally and severely affected the founders and their family members, this has not stood in the way of cooperation.

    The leopards that ate other people’s faces will definitely not eat my face too

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      What are the odds that the others are closeted fascists as well? UK the kind

      we don’t agree with the right wingers but immigration is an issue and only they are addressing it, so I’ll keep to myself and not speak much

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    I have had a Mullvad account for many years. I now have an iVPN acc. It’s a very simple choice for me. If Mullvad’s success results in funding far right racists then I don’t care to assist that happening

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      I have about 50 days left on my Mullvad subscription, so I figured I’d wait it out and see how they handled it. Going by this latest Mullvad response, I think I’ll probably have an IVPN account soon too.

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      Technically Mullvad didn’t fund them, it was there CEO who did it partially with money he got from working at Mullvad.

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    Most predictable response ever. Some shite about the free market of ideas and some other shite about the need to engage with “ideas you personally dislike”.

    In other words, we should give fascists a seat at the table and hope we can debate them away. Been there done that, doesn’t work.

    I don’t expect a company to just condemn fascism completely unprompted. But in a situation like this, if you can’t even commit to taking action to ensure that a fascist party does not receive any of your funding again, then your mission isn’t worth shit.

    I’m sure that the people who would be forcibly “remigrated” by this particular political party would not feel very free from authority and surveillance.