Yup, I’m posting another this week. Sorry.

This week I’m hoping we can wrangle a solution around AI and our selfhosted community. There are plenty of strong opinions (both pro and con), but one thing is for certain - there needs to be better disclosure in promo posts. Two options (that aren’t mutually exclusive):

  • Any posts of an AI focused, AI Developed, etc software gets an [AI] tag. No, a [Not-AI] tag is not needed to accomplish this, thats kind of a “non-golfer” sort of tag.
  • Comment requiring an AI disclosure response to every promo post, if its not detailed in the post itself. Specifics (generating docs for commands, translation, whole-boat vibe-coded this app, etc) would be requested.

I will say that having disclosure and/or tagging would mean that comments that just say “slop” or “fuck ai” or whatever would be off topic at that point, that information is already provided, so its just noise (and sometimes pretty uncivil - I’ve been light on that for now due to the need for a rule on this).

The tag [AI] would make it easy to filter out (or search for, if that’s your thing), but there is a wildly different degree of AI use out there, and from the posts with a positive score, its usually due to responsible AI use (translations, a snippet they had to do something obscure with, available to use with AI but doesn’t require it, whatever), which is why I think the disclosure has a place as a benefit to everyone.

Please provide any input or alternative options on this, and I can then put it to a vote like the last one. Comments seem to be the best approach without involving something off-site, but if you have a better idea/option, please share.

    • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusOPMEnglish
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      6 days ago

      Lemmy.world does, specifically for bots. They have to be set as a bot in profile and request permission first from the community.

      I banned yesterday and all of their comments should have been deleted as well, I’ll check into that.

        • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusOPMEnglish
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          6 days ago

          Ugh they just made new ones.

          Yesterday was _cafe, today was _sh (for shitjustworks) and _lw for Lemmy.world.

          Please keep on reporting when you see it and I’ll get to them as soon as I can.

          For the record, the Lemmy.world TOS requires that any bot account be set as such in their profile, and that any community they post to requires mod approval first.

          Generically speaking, I won’t be approving any. What I mean is any bot request is going to need a valid and real reason for its use here, which I would then bring to the community to make that choice like I did for this discussion thread. I wish there were a better way than a basic upvote or downvote system, but its what we’ve got so its what I’d use.

          I have not posted about any new bots since I took over here a few months ago, so no new bots should be considered as having community approval.

          The acronyms and initialisms bot (can’t remember the name right now) was approved before I joined and everyone seems cool with, I never get reports, so I haven’t bothered with posting about it.

          Edit: WHY IS AUTOCORRECT CHANGING ‘BOT’. So annoying. Anyway, fixed.

  • EarMaster@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    I would still prefer an additional [Non-AI] tag. Even if people are arguing against it - it is not same omitting an [AI] tag and consciously saying “I never used and never will use AI”. And the latter is the thing most users who want the AI-tag are looking for.

  • gaiety@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    4 months ago

    i want a community where AI is not tolerated at all. ai is a corporate grift and there’s no room for it in a self built community founded on resistance of the tech status quo

  • rnercle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    4 months ago

    I will say that having disclosure and/or tagging would mean that comments that just say “slop” or “fuck ai” or whatever would be off topic at that point, that information is already provided, so its just noise (and sometimes pretty uncivil - I’ve been light on that for now due to the need for a rule on this).

    good idea

    it won’t solve the “noise” problem though. I was relatively active on !imageai@sh.itjust.works and we were constantly nagged by sloppies even though the community is clearly dedicated to generativeArt

    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      4 months ago

      it won’t solve the “noise” problem though. I was relatively active on !imageai@sh.itjust.works and we were constantly nagged by sloppies even though the community is clearly dedicated to generativeArt

      Maybe y’all would get less hate if the sub was called “generativeArt” instead of grifterly claiming to be “AI”.

    • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusOPMEnglish
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      4 months ago

      No, but with a rule in place like these, its clearly out of place and can be removed. I don’t harbor any delusions about not seeing those sort of comments.

      Would be nice though. And I like being nice.

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    4 months ago

    I don’t have a problem with people talking about different open source technologies.

    But I do have a problem with this comm promoting the grift that “AI” exists.

    What exactly is this post about? Chat bots? Image/video processing? Content generation?

    None of this stuff is “AI”. Please don’t label it as such. It’s grifter nonsense.

  • Brkdncr@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Disagree. Just deal with people that aren’t contributing in a positive manner like normal. It’s easy to identify posts that are dealing with AI and it’s easy to ignore them.

    • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusOPMEnglish
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      4 months ago

      It is.

      But people don’t do that. They send in a whole bunch of reports, sometimes multiple with the reason changing to the same variation.

      So something is needed here.

  • Regular Water@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
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    4 months ago

    I think tags are a good idea. I would change the tag to [AI / LLM], and maybe some subtags like [chatbot], [image processing], etc. AI is here to stay, or a least until the US realize the hole under their entire economy (Or both in worst case scenerio) , so regulation is a good solution to this. (In my humble opinion)

  • arran 🇦🇺@aussie.zoneEnglish
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    4 months ago

    If you don’t delineate, it will simply be easier to tag everything ai as there was ai involved somewhere and you’re less likely to need to defend yourself.

  • rowinxavier@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    I think this should be a thing. At the same time, I would also want something similar for funding or platforming fascists, but that is unlikely to end up being done. I think a simple tag, the [AI] one would work, is the best current solution. I think extra detail in the post is a good thing to do, for example AI assisted documentation, AI assisted bug finding, AI assisted vibe coding. They are all different and have different effects on the product and community. If someone uses AI to find bugs in their own code I am all for it, that is a great use if it. If they use AI to write their login system I am not keen at all given the likelihood of intense security issues and the low likelihood that they will ever fix it.

    • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusOPMEnglish
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      4 months ago

      I would also want something similar for funding or platforming fascists

      Ooh that would be good

      I wonder if there is a database somewhere…

  • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Yep. It is a time-suck to see an interesting new project only to check it out and find out it’s AI slop. For some apps, it doesn’t bother me… They may not require the access or stability of critical apps. Other times, I just can’t trust a slop app, and it would be very helpful to know which it is in advance.

  • Chaphasilor [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Not a fan of a tag, since it’s not transparent enough. Sounds like every minor use of AI would warrant a tag, which seems past the point.

    The disclosure comment I feel works well. People that care about if/how AI was used can check it to get a proper impression of the scale of and workflow for AI usage, and those who don’t care can ignore it.

  • frongt@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    4 months ago

    I don’t have a problem with AI. I have a problem with vibe-coded apps released as a one-shot and then never maintained or supported. That’s slop.

    I also have a problem with the trace apps (lifttrace, nutritrace, etc.) because while they’re entirely vibe-coded, they are actively developed, but they’re posted here by a brand promotion account that doesn’t otherwise contribute to the community. If there’s any “x% self-ptomotion” threshold, they fail it, because it’s 100% self-promotion.

    I know I also reported another post as slop recently but I don’t remember what it was.

      • dryfter@ani.socialEnglish
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        4 months ago

        Honest question intended to spark discussion.

        Does this mean that all “single developer” projects can be considered abandonware (that aren’t open source/forkable)?

        Or really “all” non open source software really. Companies “can” die.

        • litchralee@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          4 months ago

          IMO, abandonware means software that is a dead-end upon its very release, with no hopes or plans for anyone to every build upon it. Abandonware is generally not extensible, follows no good design philosophy that would let someone else build it up, and embodies essentially nothing.

          Even a 100-line throwaway Python script has more utility to someone when it is published on PasteBin or whatever. But something like a binary executable released with no source code, with no support, and with no intent by the developer to ever make anything more of it, that’s abandonware.

    • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusOPMEnglish
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      4 months ago

      If there’s any “x% self-ptomotion” threshold, they fail it, because it’s 100% self-promotion.

      Not with f/loss, just account age and they are above the threshold there.