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Only 20 years? My techguyforum screen name is damn near 30 years old at this point. (Don’t go there. Site is ruined trash, now. ) I been giving info to help with shit since even before then. Internet has my fingerprints in it since the early 90’s.
anyone who starts sentence with “bro” can f-off
There is a license that says that all derivatives must also be open source.
But also AI companies don’t care about the law, they stole all there data, engage in insider trading, circular trading, and generating all manner of illegal content, they don’t give a fuck. And the US government is doing anything to hold them accountable, infact the president is getting in on it.
I’ve seen this argument in one form or another for years, and my response has never changed:
Either information on the internet is free for everyone, or it isn’t.
You don’t get to publish information for the public to access and then turn around and say that some people are allowed to use it while others are not, especially if the distinction is based on whether someone might make money from it.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim information should be freely available and then try to restrict who can benefit from it.
Pick one. Either the information is free, or it isn’t.
Free as in beer, not speech.
The open source community has licenses associated with its code. Just because one can access it doesn’t mean they can fucking sell it.
Ok. Fine. Sure.
Not sure though what this has to do with llm companies making money. Since they write their own code and llms are trained on data… Like wikipedia.
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Tech guy discovers enclosure.
That is how capitalism works.
The American Weather Service provided weather updates for free, but a company came along and just started copying what the weather service posted … then sued the Weather Service for publicly posting the weather because the government is not allowed to provide a service for free that a company can charge for.
Insanity.
Government issues the business licenses. Seems like someone needs to be reminded who has who by the balls.
Welcome to the rodeo guy who is just now becoming aware of the system of oppression we call capitalism but is a lot more like feudalism with racialized and gendered castes that we all live under.
The library is still there. Admission is still free.
the library was run on donations and someone copied all the books and is selling a service that summarizes them on a lot right in front of it. you can still go around and give your donation inside but most people don’t and the library is starting to fall apart. also the summaries kind of suck.
while the library itself is covered in a thick layer of slop as the librarian can’t keep up anymore and the road signs pointing at the library are taken down
I’m actually a guy who did this. 50k reputation on stack overflow, several tech blogs, reddit contributions and you know what? I love that LLMs are “stealing” my content. Most of us just do it for the love of the game and genuine belief that free information is good for the society. The only down side is not getting attribution credit which sucks but nothing compared to the benefits we all get.
Also no one’s capable of creating this is being replaced by an LLM. Let’s be clear here. If you are capable of educating complex tech subjects you are already in the top 10% of the market.
Being told and being replace is kinda different. At least being replace mean the replacement already happened, being told mean you have to deal with the looming threat of being replaced and constantly bugged by the stupidity of your employer.
Yeah the sword of damocles is real here but I think a lot of capable people are under selling themselves and could easily find fit when let go. The market should grow due to new tooling so if anything senior experience is a major boon in an expanding market.
The real risk is allowing billionaires to monopolize the market and seems like people are conflating this with LLMs as a technology. It’s ludites all over again.
Everyone look at this corporate apologist and laugh.
Why corporate? Open source LLMs also use this data (even more so) and imo will eventually win over current market loss leaders.
If you truly believe information should be free and accessible to all then LLMs - which are just intelligent interface to our collective compressed information - are a good thing.
welcome to academic publishing, it has gone on for 50 years
The only true answer to genai is to make all models created by skimming the commons, mandatory open weight and open sourced. If you try to buff copyrights to defeat genai, it’s going to boomerang right back in your face
The same people who abuse community resources (bulldoze public green spaces, kill rivers, pollute oceans, despoil lands, toxify the air, extinct animals etc.), do the exact same to information and the sources of it. They take for themselves and give nothing back. They cannot coexist with community or communal anything (which is why they hate community and socialism). They cannot give and will compulsively take. Their lives are why greed is considered a sin, insatiable and cruel, and it was wise to believe so.
Never share anything of value with the world. Do not allow them to know value exists or they will come for it. Giving freely and openly has empowered those who advantage themselves, by stealing every idea that is shared. They are the enemy, they are the threat, their psychology is a hazard to the community.
Share only with your communities and close those communities to these thieves. The only solution to private power is community power. We need to build back our communities and abandon everything possible that they control.
It’s crazy that the tragedy of the commons is only a problem because the commons are also free for people to close up and start charging for.
…Seriously?
This guy has no leg to stand on; that’s the Mildly Infuriating part.
EDIT: Am I the only one on Lemmy who discounts the whole post the moment I see a blue checkmark?
Especially this one. It’s so hypocritical it hurts.
Don’t discount the message though. After all we’re interacting with a screenshot of a tweet. It doesn’t make me a fan of this guy.
I think other people can buy the blue checkmark for you on twitter, though my information may be faulty.
In any case, just cause he gave money to that ass wipe Elon doesn’t mean that his analogy isn’t valid, just a little “leopards ate my face” kinda deal.
Well, he tweets many times a day, many posts like this:
…Seems like a “Tech Bro” Silicon Valley type to me. He’s just engagement farming; I don’t care what he says, there nothing valid about that.
In fact, I’d wager some of those posts are automated.
I think twitter also might still give blue check marks to “important” people it’s just available for anyone to buy now
lol
You either do it, or someone else will do it and start impersonating you. People with any kind of public/online presence sorta have to unfortunately.
The worst part (maybe the second worst after all the slop poisoning the internet nowadays) is the proof that copyright law is only for us poors.
I download a copyrighted work and get a strongly worded letter from my ISP, or worse. They download all the copyrighted works; scrape the data from them; and charge for the ability to use said data to make derivative, non-transformative slop; and get fabulously wealthy from it.
I download a copyrighted work and get a strongly worded letter from my ISP
So stop downloading from public trackers. Get into private trackers.
I meant it more as a general thing - I should have said “we” instead.
They actually seem pretty chill about it here in New Zealand. My dad and I had one ISP notice in the early 2000s, but I’ve downloaded absolutely shitloads since and we haven’t heard a peep.
Nowadays I tend to use Usenet anyway; the speed of even the healthiest torrents pales in comparison.
the speed of even the healthiest torrents pales in comparison
Again, private trackers. =) I can easily saturate the 2.5Gbps ethernet port on my work PC. Haven’t tried pushing the full 10gig link yet, don’t want to draw attention to myself since it’s only supposed to be 2. It would have no problem though. Private torrents are seeded by seedboxes typically. And torrent longevity on private trackers beats usenet longevity, because some people never stop seeding.
Something something capitalist something extracting wealth from other people’s labour…
