i thought we could play settlers of catan… but iguess that whatever colonialism or whatevee “ism” word the leftists come up with next., sigh /j but also /nj? i have no idea anymore… everything is bad, there is no ethical life under capitalism, whatever.
these thoughts dont just help with making people angry and wanting to do revolution, but also makes them depressed about themselves actively being bad for essentially everyone else. whatever whatever im - im just - im tired of all this. im tired of long leftists posts where they use weird burogugiese or whatever other words which… i think are supposed to sound smart or emulate mister Marx?.. idunno.
i want to play settlers of catan without feeling bad about it. its a fun game sometimes and can make friendships closer. and thats what i need rn. whatever whatever something something yapping in a long comment and complaining about long posts… yea i know.
There’s a balance to be found. Something funding evil is wildly different from something that’s kinda problematic. You should be doing media analysis and not looking at what you consume uncritically, but that’s not to mean you can’t enjoy it anyways.
A long time ago, when I was a little chrizzo kid, I asked my mother if I should stop playing Pokemon because the pastor said it was made by satan.
She said that some people will always try to find evil in things that they can control. Little evils that they can fight about, but that ultimately don’t matter. There are Big Evils in the world that heroes try to fight without ever making progress. But the little evil is easy to kill. So the cowards kill all the little evils and then, when they run out, they start inventing more little evils. They rile themselves up about dice and beer and Pokemon, all so they don’t have to fight the Big Evils.
If you dare face the real problems in the world, if you defend truth and justice, if you stand up for your beliefs, then you don’t have to worry about the little evils biting your ankles. You can even play with them if you want.
I just wanted to give you some reassurance for these feelings. I totally relate to this and it can be exhausting. 🫂
I also think getting rid of things we enjoy becausw they’re newly associated with something objectionable gives the bad people way too much power. Enjoy what you enjoy. Reclaim it for the good people.
people usually say that “there is no ethical life under capitalism” isn’t an excuse for being a consumer, but i’ll go the other way and say it is an excuse. because when you’ve been born into the system you have no choice but to participate, and that means you have to live with two conflicting ideas in your head: “the system must be destroyed for us to survive” and “i must use the system for me to survive”.
and i know you’re a clever gal. you know that catan is not a driver of neocolonialism, just like you know that monopoly isn’t responsible for actual housing crises and that risk doesn’t start wars. they are not the system. they are just of it. like you. so go play. have fun. it’s the best thing we can do for ourselves.
it kinda should count as an excuse … there is an argument to be made that essentially becoming Buddha is ethical, but - that’s not gonna get us anywhere but on the streets i think.
someone else said that catan is an awfully boring game… is it? what games would u like to play instead?
yeah we can only do what we can, and not managing to be some kind of enlightened super-being isn’t a personal failure. that’s just life.
catan is what got me into board games, and i’ve played it quite a few times. it does suffer from being one of the earlier entries in the current “renaissance” in that there is not a lot of player interaction and what there is is disruptive. that said, it’s still a good intro to the meatier stuff.
my recent plays include Skull, a 5-minute bluffing game; Earthborne Rangers, a cooperative adventure where you walk through a big forest and help people with their problems; Mind MGMT, a 4-v-1 hidden-movement game where a team tries to find a spy; Ark Nova, where you compete to build habitats for endangered animals; Codenames, where two teams try to puzzle together related words; and Root, where you play as cute forest animals embroiled in a violent conflict.
there’s so much out there now that you can basically just pick a theme you like and there will be like 15-20 games about that specific thing.
If someone runs a 100m dash in 13 seconds, does that mean you should hate yourself for running a 100m dash in 40 seconds? If someone publishes a paper about a new form of group theory, does that mean you should hate yourself for struggling with algebra? Then why are you upset when someone can enjoy themself using only woke games?
You’ve got to learn to be okay with being morally imperfect, just like you already know how to be okay with being physically and intellectually imperfect. It is fine to choose to perpetuate certain harmful structures even as you’re trying to abolish them. We’re stuck in a quagmire, every move we make is going to make something worse. But if we are clever, we can do more harm than good by the end of it.
Guilt is bullshit. Doing harm being bad or evil is bullshit. That’s what “no ethical consumption under capitalism” means; stop trying to pursue an impossible ideal of moral purity. Try to do better, but don’t burn yourself out. Take breaks. Use milk in pancakes. Play a colonialist board game. You’re still running laps around everyone on the couch.
But none of that means cows aren’t getting sexually and physically violated to get you that milk. None of that means colonialist media isn’t rewiring your brain to think with colonial logic. None of that means we shouldn’t celebrate people who have managed to rid themselves of these trappings and made a good life for themselves without them.
It’s true that there are a lot of people who do demand moral excellence from you, but fuck them. Do what you need to do to prevent their bad sportsmanship from souring you on your journey.
hm? oh nonono im not upset with it, it just really triggered me for some reason… i got into a topic which doesnt have much to do with the actual post content, that was my bad.
also imma assume u meant “we can do more good than harm by the end of it”, and if not im not sure i understand how that is being clever.
I read ur whole comment, it was a fun read, i liked it. I really am clinging to that ideal version myself that cant exist… It’s about balance iguess…
i thought we could play settlers of catan… but iguess that whatever colonialism or whatevee “ism” word the leftists come up with next., sigh /j but also /nj? i have no idea anymore… everything is bad, there is no ethical life under capitalism, whatever.
these thoughts dont just help with making people angry and wanting to do revolution, but also makes them depressed about themselves actively being bad for essentially everyone else. whatever whatever im - im just - im tired of all this. im tired of long leftists posts where they use weird burogugiese or whatever other words which… i think are supposed to sound smart or emulate mister Marx?.. idunno.
i want to play settlers of catan without feeling bad about it. its a fun game sometimes and can make friendships closer. and thats what i need rn. whatever whatever something something yapping in a long comment and complaining about long posts… yea i know.
There’s a balance to be found. Something funding evil is wildly different from something that’s kinda problematic. You should be doing media analysis and not looking at what you consume uncritically, but that’s not to mean you can’t enjoy it anyways.
i always am hypercritical of what im consuming so like - im not gonna stop doin that… but yea something something balance - fiar ~ <3
A long time ago, when I was a little chrizzo kid, I asked my mother if I should stop playing Pokemon because the pastor said it was made by satan.
She said that some people will always try to find evil in things that they can control. Little evils that they can fight about, but that ultimately don’t matter. There are Big Evils in the world that heroes try to fight without ever making progress. But the little evil is easy to kill. So the cowards kill all the little evils and then, when they run out, they start inventing more little evils. They rile themselves up about dice and beer and Pokemon, all so they don’t have to fight the Big Evils.
If you dare face the real problems in the world, if you defend truth and justice, if you stand up for your beliefs, then you don’t have to worry about the little evils biting your ankles. You can even play with them if you want.
loved this comment. thank u. i am certainly playing with… one if the little evils… anyway, again, thank u, this was a fun read.
I just wanted to give you some reassurance for these feelings. I totally relate to this and it can be exhausting. 🫂
I also think getting rid of things we enjoy becausw they’re newly associated with something objectionable gives the bad people way too much power. Enjoy what you enjoy. Reclaim it for the good people.
people usually say that “there is no ethical life under capitalism” isn’t an excuse for being a consumer, but i’ll go the other way and say it is an excuse. because when you’ve been born into the system you have no choice but to participate, and that means you have to live with two conflicting ideas in your head: “the system must be destroyed for us to survive” and “i must use the system for me to survive”.
and i know you’re a clever gal. you know that catan is not a driver of neocolonialism, just like you know that monopoly isn’t responsible for actual housing crises and that risk doesn’t start wars. they are not the system. they are just of it. like you. so go play. have fun. it’s the best thing we can do for ourselves.
now thats a fresh perspective! 🍃🌊🍋
it kinda should count as an excuse … there is an argument to be made that essentially becoming Buddha is ethical, but - that’s not gonna get us anywhere but on the streets i think.
someone else said that catan is an awfully boring game… is it? what games would u like to play instead?
yeah we can only do what we can, and not managing to be some kind of enlightened super-being isn’t a personal failure. that’s just life.
catan is what got me into board games, and i’ve played it quite a few times. it does suffer from being one of the earlier entries in the current “renaissance” in that there is not a lot of player interaction and what there is is disruptive. that said, it’s still a good intro to the meatier stuff.
my recent plays include Skull, a 5-minute bluffing game; Earthborne Rangers, a cooperative adventure where you walk through a big forest and help people with their problems; Mind MGMT, a 4-v-1 hidden-movement game where a team tries to find a spy; Ark Nova, where you compete to build habitats for endangered animals; Codenames, where two teams try to puzzle together related words; and Root, where you play as cute forest animals embroiled in a violent conflict.
there’s so much out there now that you can basically just pick a theme you like and there will be like 15-20 games about that specific thing.
If someone runs a 100m dash in 13 seconds, does that mean you should hate yourself for running a 100m dash in 40 seconds? If someone publishes a paper about a new form of group theory, does that mean you should hate yourself for struggling with algebra? Then why are you upset when someone can enjoy themself using only woke games?
You’ve got to learn to be okay with being morally imperfect, just like you already know how to be okay with being physically and intellectually imperfect. It is fine to choose to perpetuate certain harmful structures even as you’re trying to abolish them. We’re stuck in a quagmire, every move we make is going to make something worse. But if we are clever, we can do more harm than good by the end of it.
Guilt is bullshit. Doing harm being bad or evil is bullshit. That’s what “no ethical consumption under capitalism” means; stop trying to pursue an impossible ideal of moral purity. Try to do better, but don’t burn yourself out. Take breaks. Use milk in pancakes. Play a colonialist board game. You’re still running laps around everyone on the couch.
But none of that means cows aren’t getting sexually and physically violated to get you that milk. None of that means colonialist media isn’t rewiring your brain to think with colonial logic. None of that means we shouldn’t celebrate people who have managed to rid themselves of these trappings and made a good life for themselves without them.
It’s true that there are a lot of people who do demand moral excellence from you, but fuck them. Do what you need to do to prevent their bad sportsmanship from souring you on your journey.
hm? oh nonono im not upset with it, it just really triggered me for some reason… i got into a topic which doesnt have much to do with the actual post content, that was my bad. also imma assume u meant “we can do more good than harm by the end of it”, and if not im not sure i understand how that is being clever.
I read ur whole comment, it was a fun read, i liked it. I really am clinging to that ideal version myself that cant exist… It’s about balance iguess…
I mean, you can play GTA without being a psychopath murderer.
fairrrrrrrrrrrrrr- but its also not a woke game I think…lemme check the woke games list.
umm… i dont think u can search thru these, at least not in the app. am talking about this list
I only make enemies playing catan 😭
it’s worse than monopoly
oh no is it really that bad >o<
what other games do u rather play? i personally found monopoly to be the worst game period, but maybe ive been thinking about this wrong.
coup is my go-to, very easy to get people into even if they don’t play any board games
i also really like trial by trolly (the cyanide and happiness game) but I think you need the right group for that
I tried betrayal at the house on the hill once and it seemed cool but the people I was playing with weren’t into it :(
played some Arkham horror and did NOT enjoy, way too hard lol
tbh I like catan a lot but I’m really good at it and have made a lot of people mad with that fact lol
what other games do you like?