Well first of all, yes it is stealing to take something that does not belong to you. The definition of stealing is not beholden to the consequences of the actions itself.
Furthermore, if you pirate to avoid paying a subscription, then yes they are losing something. I’m a massive pirate. I steal all my media. I feel no guilt and I also have no delusions about what I am doing. I do it to save money.
Yes you are taking something. Of course you are. You are a taking a video file which you do not have the right to. Why do you need to convince yourself there is nothing grimy about doing? Like jesus christ, just be grimey. Wht you gotta lie to yourself?
undefined> You are a taking a video file which you do not have the right to
no im not. my man you can repeat this all day but it doesnt make it true. you dont TAKE anything through the internet. this is FACT. you cant make up physics…
you can look at something and make an exact copy of it. no objects get transferred. its not a thing.
its not semantic. you are claiming a transfer of goods is happening, that is NOT TRUE.
now that this is clear we can argue about the rest but again if you want to imply some crime based on goods based transfer you are just wrong and id say in bad faith.
The product in this case is the right to view copyrighted material. You absolute can own digital material, that’s the entire point of copyright.
You have no right to the video material of say amazon. Amazon can do with their video material as they please, that is their product and they own it. They have the right to control the distribution of that product. When you priate, you infringe on their copyright, which makes it so they lose money on the service where they sell the right to view that copyrighted material. You can spin it until the sun is blue, that is stealing.
For most of us sods it’s a choice between pirating content or not engaging in it at all. While the upper management of Sony or Disney might live in their profit-focused bubble, everyone else involved with a product would rather we actually participate in their patch of human culture.
But I’m happy to not watch your show or listen to your music, if my presence offends you.
The difference is, your culture is not getting out there.
The reason we all know Joffrey is a git of a king and the Red Wedding was a day to call in sick is because the GoT series was massively pirated and HBO ignored it. It also why we had a decade of gratuitous boobs on television. It also accounted for HBO being stupendously rich for a while.
It’s kinda like depending on the wind for sailing, your crew on deck are going to be hot because there isn’t much breeze. The more you tap consumption of your art for money, the narrower the gateway and the less it becomes culture, until you end up like Prince (the musician) with most of your work locked away in a vault, unknown to anyone.
But you seem like a the law’s the law sort of fellow, and would be simping for the state even as it was torturing your fellow statesmen.
GOT wasn’t funded through culture. Also they most certainly didn’t ignore it, they just failed to stop it.
Do my a favor and stick your assumptions up your mother’s asshole. I’m a pirate, I just don’t have any delusions about what it is. I’m not so egotistical that I need to convince myself that it’s not stealing just because I’m doing it.
I find your pirate cred dubious. You came onto a pirate thread to throw shade, which smacks to me of Christian vigilantes wandering into a gay bar to start trouble. Or a guy online compelled to send his dick-pic to women online for internal insecurities he can’t consciously fathom.
You’re not here to protest the problems with stealing, not in the current economic clime. You’re here because you need to shit on others, and are trying to justify it by opposing piracy when even the IP holders know it’s losing game that only hurts themselves. It’s the legal firms they’ve tapped who are over eager to show they’re earning their pay.
You want to evade my assumptions, go crawl back into your hole, or do some proper fucking research. (Start here, and enjoy.).
But so long as you’re raising a stink and I’m nearby, you’re going to have to choke on the toxic vitriol of my ideology. I won’t suffer your moralizing in silence.
Simply stating the obvious. You still seem to be under the impression that I’m attacking piracy lmfao… I’m just calling it what it is. I endorse any kind of piracy, I am simply under no delusion that it’s moral or not stealing.
sharing is never stealing since you are not removing anything from somebody :) yall can keep spinning it but a a bag full of all the stuff i shared would be a bag weighing 0 grams.
no i havent, i mean you can technically call it sharing but i just let somebody take a look at my 0 and 1 and they arrange them in the same way. again nothing is being transferred other than knowledge of where those 0 and 1 go.
That is a dishonest characterization. The video file obviously has value, or you wouldn’t be interested in it. We aren’t talking about a singular bool, but the configuration of the bools of that specific file, which whatever company owns and which they sell the right to view.
but its not stealing, if you could make an exact copy of a chair by just snapping your fingers that also wouldnt be a crime. why would it??
now if you want to sell that design and pocket the money i can see some issues but thats not what we do, we make a copy and we play it/watch it. literally not stealing, no property has moved owner.
Piracy is always stealing. Y’all can keep trying to spin it if it helps, but its pure copium.
Is it stealing when they don’t lose anything?
Well first of all, yes it is stealing to take something that does not belong to you. The definition of stealing is not beholden to the consequences of the actions itself.
Furthermore, if you pirate to avoid paying a subscription, then yes they are losing something. I’m a massive pirate. I steal all my media. I feel no guilt and I also have no delusions about what I am doing. I do it to save money.
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undefined> es it is stealing to take something that does not belong to you
you are not taking anything . literally nothing.
im just looking at the thing and making a very good copy with my hard drive. literally taking a picture of something.
0 objects will be transferred to me in this example. nothing,nada,nulla.
Yes you are taking something. Of course you are. You are a taking a video file which you do not have the right to. Why do you need to convince yourself there is nothing grimy about doing? Like jesus christ, just be grimey. Wht you gotta lie to yourself?
undefined> You are a taking a video file which you do not have the right to
no im not. my man you can repeat this all day but it doesnt make it true. you dont TAKE anything through the internet. this is FACT. you cant make up physics…
you can look at something and make an exact copy of it. no objects get transferred. its not a thing.
If semantics is the hill you want to die on you’ve already lost.
its not semantic. you are claiming a transfer of goods is happening, that is NOT TRUE.
now that this is clear we can argue about the rest but again if you want to imply some crime based on goods based transfer you are just wrong and id say in bad faith.
The product in this case is the right to view copyrighted material. You absolute can own digital material, that’s the entire point of copyright.
You have no right to the video material of say amazon. Amazon can do with their video material as they please, that is their product and they own it. They have the right to control the distribution of that product. When you priate, you infringe on their copyright, which makes it so they lose money on the service where they sell the right to view that copyrighted material. You can spin it until the sun is blue, that is stealing.
Sure, but there’s a huge difference between stealing a physical object and copying data without permission.
For most of us sods it’s a choice between pirating content or not engaging in it at all. While the upper management of Sony or Disney might live in their profit-focused bubble, everyone else involved with a product would rather we actually participate in their patch of human culture.
But I’m happy to not watch your show or listen to your music, if my presence offends you.
Entirely besides the point. As for the last point, that’s pretty funny😂 if you’re pirating it it literally makes no difference.
The difference is, your culture is not getting out there.
The reason we all know Joffrey is a git of a king and the Red Wedding was a day to call in sick is because the GoT series was massively pirated and HBO ignored it. It also why we had a decade of gratuitous boobs on television. It also accounted for HBO being stupendously rich for a while.
It’s kinda like depending on the wind for sailing, your crew on deck are going to be hot because there isn’t much breeze. The more you tap consumption of your art for money, the narrower the gateway and the less it becomes culture, until you end up like Prince (the musician) with most of your work locked away in a vault, unknown to anyone.
But you seem like a the law’s the law sort of fellow, and would be simping for the state even as it was torturing your fellow statesmen.
GOT wasn’t funded through culture. Also they most certainly didn’t ignore it, they just failed to stop it.
Do my a favor and stick your assumptions up your mother’s asshole. I’m a pirate, I just don’t have any delusions about what it is. I’m not so egotistical that I need to convince myself that it’s not stealing just because I’m doing it.
I find your pirate cred dubious. You came onto a pirate thread to throw shade, which smacks to me of Christian vigilantes wandering into a gay bar to start trouble. Or a guy online compelled to send his dick-pic to women online for internal insecurities he can’t consciously fathom.
You’re not here to protest the problems with stealing, not in the current economic clime. You’re here because you need to shit on others, and are trying to justify it by opposing piracy when even the IP holders know it’s losing game that only hurts themselves. It’s the legal firms they’ve tapped who are over eager to show they’re earning their pay.
You want to evade my assumptions, go crawl back into your hole, or do some proper fucking research. (Start here, and enjoy.).
But so long as you’re raising a stink and I’m nearby, you’re going to have to choke on the toxic vitriol of my ideology. I won’t suffer your moralizing in silence.
The mere notion that piracy might be stealing sends you into a paragraphs long tirade. Pretty stupid. I simply don’t care that it’s stealing.
Piracy is always stealing. Y’all can keep trying to spin it if it helps, but its pure copium.
So you’re just being equivocal and trolling?
Simply stating the obvious. You still seem to be under the impression that I’m attacking piracy lmfao… I’m just calling it what it is. I endorse any kind of piracy, I am simply under no delusion that it’s moral or not stealing.
sharing is never stealing since you are not removing anything from somebody :) yall can keep spinning it but a a bag full of all the stuff i shared would be a bag weighing 0 grams.
And yet you still shared something. Those files exist. This is an extremely weak argument honestly.
no i havent, i mean you can technically call it sharing but i just let somebody take a look at my 0 and 1 and they arrange them in the same way. again nothing is being transferred other than knowledge of where those 0 and 1 go.
Something is being tranferred, and that is the picture which you do not own nor have any right to own.
no its not. if i tell you “hey the 0 gos to the right” i havent transferred shit to you. information is not goods.
That is a dishonest characterization. The video file obviously has value, or you wouldn’t be interested in it. We aren’t talking about a singular bool, but the configuration of the bools of that specific file, which whatever company owns and which they sell the right to view.
but its not stealing, if you could make an exact copy of a chair by just snapping your fingers that also wouldnt be a crime. why would it??
now if you want to sell that design and pocket the money i can see some issues but thats not what we do, we make a copy and we play it/watch it. literally not stealing, no property has moved owner.
LMFAO! It’s called a patent genius!
It has a name too, it’s called COUNTERFEITING