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In the new blog post, Google’s Matthew Forsythe confirms that the developer verification system is slated to come online on September 30 of this year. The initial deployment will be limited to countries with a high level of app scams: Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand.
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Google released its new developer console back in March, inviting external developers the opportunity to pay $25 and verify their identities early. Developers who don’t register will find that their apps cannot be sideloaded on Google-certified Android devices once verification has rolled out. Google says that almost every app in the Play Store is now ready for the change, and a “large majority” of apps outside Google Play have completed verification.
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Google says it will verify the apps in the following stores when it begins enforcing the new restrictions.
Google (Google Play)
Honor (HONOR App Market)
OPlus (OPPO App Market)
Samsung (Galaxy Store)
Transsion (Palm Store)
vivo (V-Appstore)
Xiaomi (GetApps)
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The next step toward verifying apps will come this month as Google deploys a new system service on most certified devices. The package (com.google.android.verifier) will appear on phones and tablets running Android 8 or higher, allowing Google to block the installation of unverified apps. It will remain dormant until verification is activated in your specific region.
In July, Google plans to roll out the new developer APIs and begin testing for “limited distribution” accounts. This is Google’s solution for hobbyists who want to make their own apps and share them with a small group. Limited accounts won’t require a fee or government ID verification, but you can install these apps on up to 20 devices.
In August, the advanced flow will become available globally ahead of verification becoming mandatory in the first markets. As detailed a few months ago, the advanced flow will allow users to bypass verification, but the process isn’t easy. You’ll have to navigate to a buried menu, confirm you understand the risks multiple times, and wait a whole day before completing the process.
And that brings us to September, when Android devices in Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand will begin checking verification status before installing apps. However, things get murky after that. Google will undoubtedly monitor how verification works as millions of users are suddenly limited to verified apps, which could affect how it moves forward. Google says it intends to expand developer verification in 2027, eventually making it a global device policy.
Maybe Commodore saw this coming and that explains the crazy pricing of their linux flip phone.
Ehh, if they had foresight, they wouldn’t be putting a hardcoded block for all web browsers on the Commodore phone. Instead, it’s mostly just Peri commercializing his personal ideas of what a phone should be based on his past videos.
$500?
I thought that was reasonable. All electronics are expensive these days.
Considering the hardware in it and that it is a flip phone, I’d definitely call it over priced. I realize that it is going to be a low production run and they want to make some money, but $500 is too much for what it offers IMO. I am quite literally the prime market for such a phone, but the price and the forced browser block are stopping me.
Google, you stick to your guns, I’ll stick to mine. Sayonara.
Pathetic
Fuck this shit!
How greedy are you?
And now I’ll never be interested in creating software for android. I hope google’s LLMs are up to the task.
Sooo if I just use adb to disable that service
com.google.android.verifier
I wont have to put up with google’s bs?
Or just reinstall the OS without google.
We’re about to see a bunch of cell phone repair shops offer this service.
Wym without google? I couldn’t find anything related to what ur talking about
AOSP is lacking google.
It actually requires an extra step to install Google when you install an OS on an android device.
Just go through the process of installing the OS yourself, and skip the “install gapps” step. You’ll have a phone without google, and this app blocking shite will have no impact on you
Maybe at first, until their customers realise that all their apps need those services. And this is assuming the average person even notices the change in the first place and cares about it.
With MicroG you barely feel the difference these days
I meant the change in Google’s policy.
No I was referring to the line about users needing google play services
Reinstall the os without google? And then have no push notifications? Kinda need push notifs
Why? I have never owned a phone with google. Works great.
Glad it works for you. I need push notifications
Doesn’t MicroG (foss reimplementation of Play Services) fix that?
If thats one of the fixes available to grapheneOS users then yes Im pretty sure thats how you can get push on GOS
Not super sure you can strip google out of your android install and replace it with MicroG though (id love to be proven wrong though) and my bootloaders locked down (fuck you Semensnug you filthy animals)
Yes, but forcing all users to do that will kill off 90% of the market for F-Droid.
That kind of behavior calls hard fork. Fuck off google.
and who exactly will benefit from the hard fork? those few who already run a degoogled android and won’t be affected anyway?
Oh I didnt mean anyone else should I was just trying to confirm my thoughts on whether this would work
Trust me fuck Google and this is horrid news for FOSS so I hope there can be some fight back against this dictatorial censorship… Google is evil for trying to create a walled garden like Apple’s out of android
That’s not what I meant. I meant that yes, there are technical ways to get around this garden wall.
But only a very small percentage of users will know of it, or dare open a terminal to issue adb commands to their phone.
So the majority will be locked out of open and free app stores despite the technical possibility to keep using them.
And with fewer users, there will be fewer developers and fewer apps available.
Installing F-Droid (or anything outside of “official” stores) already gets you a bunch of scary warnings that non-techy users would perceive as “omg malware!!” and withdraw from. I’m confident that the Venn diagram between F-Droid users and people who would be willing to use ADB to keep it is a circle. The real problem is that this cuts off anyone without a computer
I hate this timeline
does anyone know why would anyone use any of the mentioned stores instead of the play store? using f-droid has a clear benefit (they are also not on the supported list). but what is the purpose of those mainly manufacturer specific stores?
Money, and monopolistic behavior. Samsung, for instance, constantly pushes the “Samsung Account” on all their devices. Constantly. For the first two weeks after getting a new Samsung device you will be spammed with “finish setting up your phone” notifications that just want you to sign up for their tracking, and conveniently, when you’re logged into a Samsung account, their app store is the default. And you will get notifications from their app store to download or buy whatever app they recommend. I can only assume the other stores mentioned do similar things.
I think they’re asking why a customer would (actively) choose those app stores over the Play store.
The answer is they don’t choose.
Most people just use whatever the default is, and don’t really know a better option is available until it’s presented explicitly.
If you buy a mainland China phone the app store will be local, for example Oppo store, and Play will be only available as a workaround. I think mainland China phones will be unaffected by Google’s sideloading restriction.
yeah, I am also considering buying a huawei phone with HarmonyOS
So is there a way to bypass this or is basically everyone using a phone that isn’t one of the fancy Linux ones essentially fucked?
Android is open source (and also Linux), so there are many custom OSs that aren’t “fancy linux”, but just Android without Google apps. See: LineageOS, GrapheneOS, e/OS. You might be able to install one of them on your phone if it’s compatible!
Just reinstall the OS without google.
Or you could buy a new or used device that’s already degoogled. Or go to your local phone repair shop and pay them to do it for you.
Can you do that even if the bootloader is locked (as it is on many phones nowadays)?
Yeah, you just go into settings and unlock the bootloader.
If you have some really shitty phone that you can’t unlock the bootloader, then you don’t own the phone. Put it in the nearest electronics recycling bin, and buy one that you can own. You can buy phones that are already degoogled for a few hundred.
Fortunately its illegal in many countries to sell a phone whose boot loader can’t be unlocked.
Then “reinstall without Google” isn’t a solution you can suggest universally to everyone even if you don’t know their phone model
Sure I can. Because buying a degoogled phone costs just a few hundred
https://github.com/woheller69/FreeDroidWarn#solutions
Here’s a copy/paste, sans hyperlinks:
Developer verification will be enforced on certified devices with Google Play Services installed, which is the majority of Android devices. There are options to bypass the restriction:
- Use a free, uncensored Android system like /e/os, LineageOS, or GrapheneOS that does not preinstall Google Play Services.
- “Degoogle” by removing Google Play Services. If it is a system app, you can uninstall it using ADB.
- Install apps via ADB. Google has already confirmed that ADB will continue to work in the future. You can either use ADB from a PC as described below or use a wireless ADB based installer like anyapk.
Hey Google, could you not dictate what I’m allowed to install on my own damn device for my “safety”? I don’t need a third parent, and if I had to pick one it wouldn’t be you.
LineageOS is the way.
GrapheneOS, too.
Let’s see. I won’t ever buy a Pixel. And Motorola is… iffy.
You can buy a used Pixel. Motorola has some useful hardware, but this is about freedom, not best price performance.
See the “socialist” up there ☝️?
Price is a component of “freedom”
Used pixels are usually oem locked
I’m not happy about this but they really have no choice.
The android app marketplace is infested with spyware and Android devices were recently found to be the vector for one of if not the worlds biggest botnet (super/bad box).
If you wanna be able to keep using your os to make ad money you gotta lock it down and since Android is largely open source and used by tons of oems that means locking down some part that you could conceivably do without but no one really will.
Google already does what it should: sideloading apps requires you to manually approve the source, and when you do, a popup appears warning user of potential dangers. No need to play daddy any more than this.
Having a locked ecosystem is very convenient and profitable for Google, but terrible for its users. Google wants this walled garden not out of safety, but to get a tight grip on the app stores - and get a solid buck while doing it.
look, I trust F-droid and open source apps more than I trust the sponsored garbage on play store alongside shit like kalshi and candycrush. The security point is moot. The call is coming from inside the house.
As for ad money, being one of the most grossly profitable corporations in the world isn’t enough? Must line go up always? At what point is having an absurd amount of profit enough? Where is the line?
They should police their own store then. Fuck this “oh they have to” shit.
This is what it looks like when they police their store.
This is what it looks like when they try to police the software that’s NOT from their store (or their partners).
All the Google-verified malware that infests Google’s marketplace will continue to be a problematic vector after this change. But this change will put obstacles in my attempts to install safe alternatives that are free of malware and not part of Google’s junkyard or spyware full of anti-features.
The phone someone purchased from Samsung isn’t “their store” bud. The play store is.
And someone can either disable the system service that does this and go without play services (which is their store) or get a “limited” developer account and keep doing whatever they’re doing.
you have no idea what you are talking about. almost every statement in your comment is incorrect.
- the system service cannot be disabled
- the system service does not need to be disabled
- the system service doing the verification is not the play services component itself, that just installs the verifier
- “going without play services” is easier said than done, that would break tons of apps, including mandatory banking and gov apps, just to regain your agency of deciding for yourself what apps you want to have
- disabling play services does not fix the issue
- disabling play services is not possible on all phones without bricking it
- a limited or any kind of developer account wont do any good to the user
- a limited or any kind of developer account would still require you to submit your private info to the advertising giant. even if that actually woukd be required to keep being install apps, it wouldn’t be acceptable
you have also ignored the other user pointing out that with this change they are going much further than policing their own store (something they have been consistently failing at for many years).
This, again, is what policing an application marketplace looks like.
The point isn’t to protect you the user, but to protect the reputation of their platform. Right now, and I know this isn’t easy to hear, Android is the scam/insecure platform.
I am a user of Android devices everyday, btw, not just some random hater.
From googles perspective it doesn’t matter if users are unable to anonymously install whatever they want if the various marketplaces and therefore the Android platform gains trust in the eyes of consumers (and law enforcement/security professionals).
They aren’t policing their platform to protect you, they’re doing it to protect themselves.
Its shocking how wrong you are in everything you’ve said. Give up on this conversation and let the grown ups talk
This, again, is what policing an application marketplace looks like.
do you have issues with reading comprehension? the marketplace stops right at the google play store. that is their marketplace, nothing more.
From googles perspective it doesn’t matter if users are unable to anonymously install whatever they want
I’m sure about that, and they are also happy for the increased amount of analytics. apps a user knows is a good way to make an advertising profile more accurate.
if the various marketplaces and therefore the Android platform gains trust in the eyes of consumers (and law enforcement/security professionals).
google can only thank that for its own false advertising, promising “security”, lockdown against the owner for the advantage of the businesses. android phones should not be about the device owned by your bank and your government, but the thing owned by the individual who uses it.
They aren’t policing their platform to protect you, they’re doing it to protect themselves.
and that’s a huge problem, because they are trampling on ownership rights. they are making money out of nullifying the right to privacy, and actually by convincing people that it is an obsolete right, and that they should criticize their peers who want privacy.
they can only protect themselves in such an abusive manner because they have an effective monopoly. if google did not become too big, people could just say no to all this bullshit.
None of this even attempts to address the problem of Google Play (the primary android app marketplace) being filled with malware. Every single app that’s being distributed through Google Play today already has a “verified” developer by the same criteria they’re applying system-wide. That malware can continue working as it already does without any changes.
This is exclusively about Google imposing control on all apps distributed through channels that otherwise used to be outside Google’s control.
Google’s claimed reasoning is that this control is a good thing and makes them be able to block apps made by malware developers in the same way they already do in Google Play, even for users who install apps from other sources. Critics disagree because Google forcibly taking personal information and money from all software developers and wielding the ability to remotely kill any app they don’t like for any reason have far wider consequences than protecting users from malware, and the proliferation of malware on Google Play shows how (in)effective Google’s measures against it are. Neither side believes or claims this can or will make Google Play any safer.
Yes it does.
It forces developers to register if they wanna distribute software. Now they can’t just pivot to a new identity whenever they’re under investigation.
It prevents devices from running software from unverified developers. Now the malware developer can’t just use a third party store to bypass the verification requirements.
That’s both sides of the coin, but wait, there’s more:
End users can disable it if they’re willing to go without play services or can do their own sideloading and support with a “limited” developer account.
The end result is not a panacea that fixes every problem with Android but a move to bring the various official android marketplaces in line with the ios app store.
It prevents devices from running software from unverified developers. Now the malware developer can’t just use a third party store to bypass the verification requirements.
they didn’t need to use a third party store to begin with. the play store is filled with malware.
End users can disable it if they’re willing to go without play services or can do their own sideloading and support with a “limited” developer account.
that is wrong on multiple counts, fortunately they did not lock it down that much (yet). that wouldn’t just be very complicated but that would alao disable a couple of unrelated features of the phone.
The end result is not a panacea that fixes every problem with Android but a move to bring the various official android marketplaces in line with the ios app store.
as if that’s a good thing.
Part of what made badbox/superbox so successful (along with the marketing, mlm stuff, glut of cheap arm/risc decoders, environment of 69 fucking subscriptions a month your average person has to maintain just to watch terminator when they get home from a shift) was the presentation of malware payload apps from third party marketplaces alongside “legit” apps from the first party ones.
It’s the gas station effect. Of course you can trust the Tamriel rebuilt branded rhino pill, it’s on the same rack as the goodys powder and tums!
That same mixing made it very difficult for everyone trying to figure out what was happening to actually get something taken down. Apps on the play store would be barely legal or skirting the law but interacting with or funneling data around apps from third party stores that were definitely doing something “wrong”.
When takedown notices were sent for the play store apps they didn’t have any effect on the third party hosted ones.
So for the whole thing to run how it did, yeah, they needed third party repositories.
You might not see this as a good thing, but Google does. And tbh they’re right. It’s bad for the minuscule number of users who actually load stuff from third party sources, but its incredibly good for them as a company and a brand.
You might not see this as a good thing, but Google does. And tbh they’re right. It’s bad for the minuscule number of users who actually load stuff from third party sources, but its incredibly good for them as a company and a brand.
oh, sure they are right. it was almost harming their profits! they were on the brink of the current quarter performing worse than the last one! oh, no, the shareholders… we couldn’t want them be starving!
Yeah. The company cares about its identity and profits and is taking steps to protect them.
This is like if Walmart started policing what products Target can sell and policing what products can go into your house, while not bothering to police their own store.
Up until now, I haven’t been overwhelmingly emotional about all the horrible things happening right now.
I don’t know why this news hit me particularly hard. Reading it made me feel like a part of me died. Got glassy eyed. This kind of feels like the final betrayal in a sense. Not the ultimate betrayal, but one super close to my heart.
Hey, it’s gonna be alright
- You still will be able to sideload apps, they just add a nasty 24-hour cooldown
- In the meantime, it’s worth having a migration strategy to a mobile OS that actually respects you - be it Graphene, Lineage, or Linux/Sailfish.
be it Graphene, Lineage, or Linux/Sailfish.
The prob comes when the ONLY mobile OS that work for the things ppl want to do are IOS and Android. We could see a world where MOST web sites are locked behind chain-of-trust reqs. Certainly all the important ones needed for normal life.
We’re not quite there today. But it is the direction.
Then you cancel that service and let them know exactly why you did. Hit them in the only thing they care about - money. One doesn’t matter, but 100k would.
Be the change you want to see.
One doesn’t matter, but 100k would.
Yup I agree about that. Financial pressure might be our best hope. Prob is, the HUGE majority of ppl don’t care about things like this. Or even know about them. It’s too abstract for them.
TBH I’m not sure Google would care about 100k! There are allegedly about 3-4B Android users in the world. 100k would be like 0.0033%. Maybe 100 million, and they would begin to notice. That’s a lot to get on side, tho.
I dispair badly. So many ppl have no clue when it comes to their own tech future. Also what is their alternative? IOS is even worse in this way. The masses aren’t gonna install Graphene or w/e. What alternative may we even suggest to them?
May a thousand bricks breach Google HQ’s windows.
Bricks aren’t enough, every Google building needs carpet bombing while the assholes who’s main purpose is to do evil are locked inside.
