That’s why I’m leaving proton and it’s community. Lots of drama and political shit that I don’t want to know, not to mention the whole thing where proton from just an email provider, now sells VPN and other services l.
We shouldnt have sponsored a fascist because we son’t want to work with ANYONE political
lol okayyyyyy, whatever bro
I can TASTE the prompt from this image
The Proton founder is Pro MAGA that should be the end of it for most of you. I’m never going to leave Njalla for my VPN needs
unfortunately, a lot of us need more than vpn and proton has a full suite.
While I agree that the response is heavily AI generated, I have to disagree that he’s pro-Maga. He reached out to both democrats and republicans to talk about the importance of privacy and the democrats turned him down (or entirely ignored him) while the republicans met with him.
He then went on Xitter to shame the Dems and said that the Republicans seemed to be the party caring about privacy.
He’s definitely a dumbass for trying to play it that way, but he did not come out in support of Maga.
He was not pro maga just because he could gain an audience with GOP members but not dems on a lobbying trip. There has never been a single shred of evidence showing he is pro maga, and at this point I’m just going to assume it’s a smear campaign against a Google competitor.
Change my mind. I dare anyone to show the proof.
How does that make sense? Google is also maga. Hell, YouTube is one of the biggest rabbit holes for extremism in general. They could tune their algorithms for anything they wanted - it’s pretty clear.
For Proton we’ll it’s easy to say there is no evidence after dismissing all of it. How maga of you.
How does that make sense? Google is also maga.
that’s not how most people think about google, and so it could be used (even by google) to smear competitors with being pro-maga. it matters more for the users of the competitor than it does for the users of google.
I also have yet to see any evidences of Andy Yen being a Maga supporter.
Would you care ro point us to the evidence you claim is being dismissed?
I am out of the loop it seems. What happened ?
Proton sponsored afar-right fascist influencer, then issued apologies and ended the sponsorship after they got found out.
Check the other posts
Be more helpful in the future
They seem to know that the market for privacy is more than people who want just want their private data safe. There are also people that use these services for controversial and or illegal shit. So they use these chuds and reach those spaces.
It’s the swiss business model. A lot of controversial and corrupted people, politicians hide their money in privacy oriented banks offshore. They make profits no matter where the money comes from.
A little bad press after the stuff is out doesn’t really matter all that much if that drives more profits. The backlash might even get them more exposure.
They apologize and say they’ll never do it again and everyone moves on.
I suspect they used Lumo.
goes to prove how much they bother with not being mango mussolini friendly.
Jfc pretty sure you’re right
“You are right to raise this and we want to address this directly”
Isnt that how Claude Sonnet or Opus writes?
Stop this “I suspect it was made with AI” witch hunt, please, it’s completely fruitless
If your partner cheated on you and apologized with AI would knowing that fact be fruitless also?
It’s PR language, doesn’t matter if this is written by a human or AI. Message is what it is.
That’s all haiku 🤣
I think they’ve just been trained on corporate speak
Can’t tell if your talking about the (human) Proton marketer responding on reddit, or the (AI) Claude and Opus 🙃
“Yes”
It could be someone copy pasting the entire reddit thread into Claude and asking it to generate a response
Personally can’t wait until thundermail has a free tier
Or a paid tier even. With you though.
They screwed up, admitted it, apologized, don’t see why people are calling for blood anymore. People are allowed to make mistakes, they owned it and they cut ties with the guy.
Are you new to the internet?
They keep making right wing mistakes though. I think that points to something.
what’s a left wing mistake that they might get called out for?
Lots of other companies seem to easily avoid voicing support for fascists both directly with their own words or via sponsorship money. Weird how Proton can’t seem to figure it out. If they can’t even get the little stuff right why would I trust them with my data?
why would I trust them with my data
because proton is highly regarded among privacy experts.
and i’m guessing most privacy experts dgaf about politics like most technology experts don’t.
As long as they’re using Lumo, that’s not going to improve.
Do you actually think it’s okay that they had a bot make a press release this hamfisted?
Bold claim, corroborated with no proof.
Sure it looks like AI speech patterns, but they are trained on corporate speech, so hard to differentiate an LLM from a corporate spokesperson.
slop is slop
AI learned from the
bestworst of us.
How tf did I get downvoted for saying it sounds like AI bullshit? Who are these people who actually object to my assessment? I feel like I’m living in the upside down
Because people will call anything AI slop now, without any evidence. This doesn’t look AI generated to me. This is the same as something we’d have seen a decade ago. There’s even a weird space at the start of a paragraph, which makes me think human, not AI.
Why do you think this is AI? What indications are there for that, other than the corpo-speak, which has been normal for a long time before AI even, hence the name.
Do you actually think it’s okay that they had a bot make a press release this hamfisted?
You are not “saying it sounds like it is written by AI”, you are affirming it is written by an AI. Big difference.
You affirmation being formated as a question doesn’t change anything, it is a Loaded Question, which tends to be frowned upon.Babe I have two eyes, two ears, and a heart that yearns for honesty and knowledge. I know people can sound robotic too, and there are corporate scripts, and autism is a factor, but good lord. If there was an alien wearing human-esque skin suit standing in front of you I don’t think you’d be able to tell it from an actual person and that’s just sad.
Depending on the definition of “a person”, an alien could be one. What would be your definition of a person ?
I just pointing out your earlier answer is a loaded question, by definition.
Sure they could be a person. I think dolphins and elephants are people too. You are arguing in bad faith. You can’t tell if a human or AI wrote a press statement and that makes me sad.
Ai slop, human slop, but give them money, don’t stop.
*ChatGPT apologized
At least originality.ai seems to think that this is written by a human.
Those are as reliable as a coin flip. I’ve been in ai since gpt1’s manic, schismed, ramblings. This is ai.
They didnt even have a human do an editing pass, just a straight copy paste out of the dialog box.
I loved proton years ago… even did a paid account for a while. This isn’t their first wtf moment and won’t be their last. The problem for me, its that I expect more carefulness and thoughtfulness from a company that promotes encryption and privacy.
Showing me how easily you make mistakes is a quick way for me to question how well you’re safeguarding the platform.
I’ve moved away. Will take some time for them to earn back the trust, but honestly… I don’t see a huge need for them anymore. I simply don’t consider email secure. If you want real secure communication (that you can host on a server yourself) Matrix and XMPP are a much better choice.
Anyway… the response is nice. Just doesn’t fix anything.
They care about privacy and security, not marketing. They probably hate that they have to do marketing in the first place. It’s honestly relatable.
I mean I’m sure they pay more attention to safeguarding data than some random french YouTube channel, that’s why they didn’t think too much about the sponsorship.
I feel like this is a good statement. The one that should have been written immediately after outrage began, and ideally before removing dozens if not hundreds of posts and comments covering this topic.
Some people say it stinks of AI. I don’t know. Maybe? PR messages have always been like this, and they seem to be one of the types that chatbots got most of their writing patterns from.
Some people definitely overreacted. Others completely missed the point. Proton is far from a perfect company, and a case in favour of boycotting them could be made. But not because they accidentally sponsored one video of a far-right youtuber.
They’re just not as private and secure as they pretend to be or to want to be. Pretty much all alternatives are leagues above. There appears to be no apparent reason why they’re lagging behind. I suppose that’s where the CIA honeypot allegations may come from.
In any case, if you really care about privacy and security - you probably aren’t a Proton user, let alone customer. And if you are - I highly recommend trying alternatives that don’t have a long history of working with law enforcement.
Just fyi, every company is legally obliged to work with law enforcement. It’s strange that people think that a company can just refuse court orders. The point and benefit of companies like proton or tuta is that there is very little information they can actually give and they are fully transparent with public when and what they were obliged to give. It’s funny that when company hides this, like telegram, who worked with law enforcement thousands of times and handed over stuf like non encrypted chat messages, they are seen as private and not disputed by their users. But when company like Proton writes blog posts about the cases to be transparent and what (little meta) data they gave, people are out of their mind calling them out for it.
every company is legally obliged to work with law enforcement
Of course. Proton doesn’t really have a choice whether or not to fulfill law enforcement’s requests.
However, Proton absolutely does have a choice when it comes down to the scale of their cooperation with law enforcement, as well as the enthusiasm behind it.
In my opinion, in these two metrics Proton very noticeably falls behind most of their competition. That’s why I wouldn’t use it for security or privacy.
Plus - Lumo AI? Seriously? What sort of privacy-focused company invests into an AI chatbot?
It’s definitely better than GMail. Everything is. But if you want serious privacy and security… Yeah, no.
What? The scale of cooperation is defined by the law, I doubt they give happily more than they have to (even if they had more). They always write about what exactly they had to do and why, they literally can’t be more transparent. Plus the swiss law, unless it changes (which can sadly happen) does limit significantly who can compell them for cooperarion. Oh and when it comes to Lumo, I despise all the AI shait yo be clear, but I am glad someone made something more private for those rare occasion I needed to use Llms or for my relatives who can’t simply understand that thing they talk to is just a fancy language model and they ask it very personal stuff…
The one that should have been written immediately after outrage began, and ideally before removing dozens if not hundreds of posts and comments covering this topic.
For what it’s worth - apparently they said they’re crafting a response fairly early, kept one of the original threads and removed the rest as duplicates.
But I don’t know if that’s really the case.
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Thinking you can buy privacy from a remote capitalist entity Capitalist entity engages on a capitalist surveillance-platform Capitalist entity spends capital to brain-wash on another surveillance platform They all clap Thunderous apple sauce
Hurr-durrr… how do I use my compupah… can someone encrypt my communications for me? I can’t see the encrypt button on my keyboard? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Thank you GnuPG. Cue the pissing and moaning… ‘too complicated!’ ‘Users shouldn’t know how to use software!’
Always hold companies responsible! Call them out and make them publicly respond. Shop local, fuck corporations!
As I mentioned more in detail in other post, Proton is not the pro-MAGA many had misinterpreted. It is just sloppy at the marketing campaign and its leader with statements that can easily misunderstood.
That said, Proton has decided to aim for the masses, which has proven to be a winning formula. However, in that quest, it’s natural that concerns from top-tier privacy users (Linux users, those wanting non-Google push notifications, etc.) get relegated in favor of the bulk of their target customers, the regular Joe who simply wants to move away from email and web traffic scraping. We should all applaud that decision, but we also recognize the limitations and risks of having a single company holding some 80% of this privacy market. It would be better to foster a healthy, diverse, and more equitable privacy ecosystem.
The fact you think being pro-MAGA is the only evil we should be concerned about is telling.
No idea why the downvotes are hitting this so hard.
Non ml lemures. Liberals and reactionaries.
I love that the comment explaining it already existed when you wrote this. No, it couldn’t be that you were out of line! It had to just be the liberals!
As a leftist, maybe shut the fuck up sometimes. Maybe you aren’t always the smartest person in the room, and complaining about stuff that isn’t even relevant is, at best, annoying, if not actively harmful because people will ignore it when it is relevant.
As a leftist,
This expression is so liberal. Your identity, or mine, doesn’t mean much. And liberals and the true left have different views on leftism. The imperialist Bernie Sanders is from the phony left.
As for the post, “They hate Jesus because he told them the truth”. As an atheist.
Lol.
Lefty lemmy
Maybe because it’s a bit like if someone said “I got the test results, I don’t have cancer”, and that dude replied with “the fact that you think cancer is the only danger you should be concerned about is telling”.
Sure, it’s technically correct, but it’s obnoxious and, without any further context, just seems to be off-topic.
The only way this happens is if they don’t vet the sponsor recipients at all, or if it’s intentional. I’ll let you, reader, be the judge of that.
Vincent Lapierre has a Wikipedia page. From the first paragraph :
“Vincent Lapierre is a far-right reporter”
From the second paragraph, we learn he is/was a collaborator of Alain Soral, a notable figure of swiss far right.
Yes, Proton is also fucking swiss. You get the gist, this is not a mistake.
