I feel like the dehumanising term for the enemy that the ukrainians use is more like the nationalistic dehumanising terms that were used in the old days
Yeah wow you got me there, that’s not at all you making my point for me. As we all know the nationalism of the european empires was totally non racist.
Russians adversaries getting named Ivan (by US) or Russki (by Germans) could be a bit derogatory but would you really consider yourself racist for it? It’s more like Shelbyville thing
This pejorative is good and not at all dehumanising because of another pejorative which I also feel like is good.
Behold: The height of liberal intelligentsia.
The amount of pretzels that could be made from your linguistic twistings would feed the world. Instead of just accepting that yes you have dehumanising language and yes the rhetoric about russians is racist, you instead end up in a situation where you have to end up justifying various pejoratives.
Calling russians Ivan isn’t racist at all, just like how referring to indians as “pajeets” is totally fine as well.
Not that this has anything to do with my initial statement which was that russians are called “orcs” a fantasy race of evil destroyers. You trying to move the goalposts and change the subject is obvious and sad. Instead of trying to find other pejoratives that you think aren’t really that bad how about you try to relate to what is written?
Not being able to admit to any fault is a sign of a deeply unhealthy mind.
Change the subject? I’m directly addressing the use of ‘orcs’ and whether it is, indeed an ethnic slur or not. So maybe the fact you need to misquote me to try and wiggle your point fits that accusation better instead, lol
Do you think you could visually distinguish a Russian from a Ukrainian?
I have spoken to both, but that will always be anecdotal. For Russians this is pretty much always the case so far as I can tell, they don’t see Ukrainians as a separate people at all. And yes, it is also true of some Ukrainians. Yet there is a very large contingent of Ukrainians whose entire identity hinges on them hating and distancing themselves from Russians. A major aspect of the tensions between eastern and western Ukraine was that the latter (after fascists solidified their power in the 2014 coup) banned the speaking of the more traditional Russian way of speaking. The western Ukrainian government also banned (and destroyed) about 19 million books for either being in the Russian language, being Soviet literature, or for covering history they don’t like. There are many Ukrainians including the vast majority of those who have political power in the west, who not only deny that they are the same “(ethnic) people” as Russians, but who vociferously insist that Russians are lesser and to be demonized, even the ones who are literally Ukrainian but identify as being Russian-heritage people (as people in eastern Ukraine tend to identify). Your comment completely glosses over this very apparent and very consequential fact.
I don’t know any Ukrainians who claim, as you say, that Russians are ‘lesser’ in an ethnic sense. It’s always out of contempt for their love of imperialism/subjugation/nationalism and never something ‘genetic’
Do you think you could visually distinguish a Russian from a Ukrainian?
Orcs.
I feel the ‘orcs’ that Ukrainians use is more like the nationalistic '‘kraut’ or ‘boche’ from WW1&2
You’d have to bend yourself into a singularity if you want to equate that to racism
Yeah wow you got me there, that’s not at all you making my point for me. As we all know the nationalism of the european empires was totally non racist.
Russians adversaries getting named Ivan (by US) or Russki (by Germans) could be a bit derogatory but would you really consider yourself racist for it? It’s more like Shelbyville thing
Behold: The height of liberal intelligentsia.
The amount of pretzels that could be made from your linguistic twistings would feed the world. Instead of just accepting that yes you have dehumanising language and yes the rhetoric about russians is racist, you instead end up in a situation where you have to end up justifying various pejoratives.
Calling russians Ivan isn’t racist at all, just like how referring to indians as “pajeets” is totally fine as well.
Not that this has anything to do with my initial statement which was that russians are called “orcs” a fantasy race of evil destroyers. You trying to move the goalposts and change the subject is obvious and sad. Instead of trying to find other pejoratives that you think aren’t really that bad how about you try to relate to what is written?
Not being able to admit to any fault is a sign of a deeply unhealthy mind.
Change the subject? I’m directly addressing the use of ‘orcs’ and whether it is, indeed an ethnic slur or not. So maybe the fact you need to misquote me to try and wiggle your point fits that accusation better instead, lol
Do you think you could visually distinguish a Russian from a Ukrainian?
Their vile racism, our playful bywords
You might want to enlighten yourself by talking to some Ukrainians and Russians though.
They almost invariably see themselves as the same (ethnic) people
I have spoken to both, but that will always be anecdotal. For Russians this is pretty much always the case so far as I can tell, they don’t see Ukrainians as a separate people at all. And yes, it is also true of some Ukrainians. Yet there is a very large contingent of Ukrainians whose entire identity hinges on them hating and distancing themselves from Russians. A major aspect of the tensions between eastern and western Ukraine was that the latter (after fascists solidified their power in the 2014 coup) banned the speaking of the more traditional Russian way of speaking. The western Ukrainian government also banned (and destroyed) about 19 million books for either being in the Russian language, being Soviet literature, or for covering history they don’t like. There are many Ukrainians including the vast majority of those who have political power in the west, who not only deny that they are the same “(ethnic) people” as Russians, but who vociferously insist that Russians are lesser and to be demonized, even the ones who are literally Ukrainian but identify as being Russian-heritage people (as people in eastern Ukraine tend to identify). Your comment completely glosses over this very apparent and very consequential fact.
I don’t know any Ukrainians who claim, as you say, that Russians are ‘lesser’ in an ethnic sense. It’s always out of contempt for their love of imperialism/subjugation/nationalism and never something ‘genetic’
Do you think you could visually distinguish a Russian from a Ukrainian?
Yeah it’s even more ridiculous to be racist towards only one of them.