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    Remember when the Obama administration tried to ease off this silly non-sense with Cuba. That’s how you know this issue is living inside of Trump’s head.

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      That’s what showed us how powerful the Cuban-American caucus has become

      Obama tried to normalize relations, Florida has been red ever since

      Cuban-Americans want Cuba to collapse. It’s pretty evil

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        As a Cuban-American myself, I find it shameful that the Cuban diaspora wants Cuba to die under the pressure of American interests. They want Cuba to be another Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic: great for American tourists, absolute shit for locals.

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        They are so evil(their ancestors owned slaves and were exiled for it) that they join ICE so they can get rid of people in their own community. Fuck Gusanos. I hope they all get deported to a concentration camp once the white supremists are done with them.

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        So we should kill just under 4 million civilians then leave the country to warlords like we did in Iraq? Cuba is far from perfect but it doesn’t go around starting wars and is a tiny country. What’s with the obsession with it?

        Edit; somehow when I originally read that commit I thought it was advocating for attacking Cuba don’t know how lol

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          What’s with the obsession with it?

          It’s a communist state. The one thing capitalist states absolutely CANNOT tolerate is a communist state succeeding and providing a proof of concept.

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            Communism is the evolved version of Socialism according to .ML.

            Cuba has not obtained any of the goals for Socialism therefore it is not Communist.

            Source: Communists.

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              Well you could just go to Cuba for the source. They know and proclaim, officially, that they are a socialist state still in revolutionary phase.

              Not communism.

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                An authoritarian dictatorship with socialistic policies isn’t socialism and it is definitely not Communist.

                The term as it is used makes no sense.

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                  The whole point of the last 70 years of war against Cuba has been to deprive and pressure them into collapse, and the authoritarianism, which I do not approve of or support, is an inevitable result of prolonged warfare.

                  The fact that they have survived as a nation-state with any sovereignty is highly impressive.

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                  Okay now you’re conflicting with yourself since you said according to .ml, which leans very heavily tankie. I’ve spent enough time in .ml comment sections to know huge swathes of them have zero problem with authoritarians so long as they’re on the right team. They’re the ones that, when someone else asked about authoritarianism in China, simply said that all states are authoritarian, which, to be fair, isn’t really wrong.

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            America can’t afford to care for its citizens, but it can afford 20 years of war, at one billion dollars per day, with the finale of handing the country back to the Taliban. 🤪

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          When Castro took over and seized the means of production, many wealthy property owners (of farms, refineries, etc., many closely affiliated with the US) fled to Florida. That was 1959-1963 or so. They remained bitter about it, and passed it on to their children. So, former Cubans in the US still hate the Cuban government. They want to see it fall. Not that they’d benefit from it.

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            Don’t forget they also owned slaves; their workers were slaves for the most part. And now their children are “slave catchers” in the US. Fuck Gusanos.

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          Obama was drone bombing people here in the middle east throughout his tenure. It’s bizarre reading Americans today with such rosy views of his foreign policy.

          During the Obama regime, the US killed people in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Uganda, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

          And there were several massacres of civilians during that time, such as the Kunduz hospital massacre in Afghanistan, the Al-Majala massacre in Yemen, the Al-Jadida massacre in Iraq, etc etc etc etc.

          From my perspective over here, Trump is just more of the same yankee bullshit.

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            You are correct, but Bush and Trump have been worse. Obama increased the transparency of the killings which is why the numbers look higher, but that wasn’t reported on very well and it was more obfuscated both before and after.

            To be clear, that doesn’t absolve him of his crimes.

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            Americans don’t like war, so when our government does horrifying war crimes in other counties, we try REALLY HARD to not think about it.

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    I was in Cuba again this year. People there are really hurting. The streets of Havana are the emptiest of tourists I’ve ever seen them, yet the Paseo del Prado is alive with socialising Cubans every single night, persevering in the face of the soulless, shameless, compassionless behemoth next door.

    May the Cuban people prevail regardless of the governments who use them as pawns.

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        Yes, that might be true.

        In addition, the United States has been an anti-democratic force across almost all of Latin America for over a century. MANY Latin American countries have suffered through violent dictatorships that were supported by the US, all in the name of capitalist interests.

        Name any Latin American country, and there’s a good chance it has been interfered with by the US.

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          ‘interfered’ is missing a lot of the cruelty and destruction that’s taken place.

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            I definitely don’t disagree, but I tried to find a word that would apply to all of Latin America because in some cases there was actual violence committed by US citizens, while in others it was diplomatic pressure or simply a lack of action. Feel free to offer better words because I’m always open to learning more.

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    China could do the funniest thing and arm the fuck out of Cuba secretly.

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    With Trump’s military, I would be hesitant to invade a deserted island at this point. We might lose.

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      Because a few big landowners and the mafia got kicked out of Cuba in 1959 and they’ve paying off politicians to steal it back ever since.

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      The conquest of Cuba has been a goal of American nationalists for over a hundred years. The political excuses concocted during the cold war directly stemmed from Cubas economic domination by the American mainland and the resulting popular revolution in response to the looting of the country. Since Cuba left the American sphere of influence, conservatives have turned hatred of Cuba into an identity issue and base a lot of their propaganda on half truths about Cuba and Venezuela. Domination over the Americas is considered critical by American nationalists who view their neighbors as objects to be controlled and looted.

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        You also immediately lose the Cuban-American vote if you go soft on Cuba. Which means you lose Florida.

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          This is because the majority of Cuban-Americans are the descendants and relatives of wealthy plantation owners who fled Cuba during/after the revolution.

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          Florida is a deep red state and has been since Jeb originally rigged the vote for W. Bush. It will never go dem again

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          Who needs Florida when you have Texas. But seriously, enjoy the irrelevance Florida. May the electoral college drown in an extremely humid, swampy hell.

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            cubans make the majority of hispanic voters in florida apparently, seems like something the gop and some old guard DNC wont touch.

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      1. Marco rubio is secretary of state and he represents a large well funded community of cuban, and Venezuelan, expats who want to see the governments of their homeland toppled. They “succeeded” in Venezuela, now they’re moving on to cuba

      2. Trump wants his name in the history books for doing what no other president “had the balls to do” and conquering cuba.

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      Careful. There is a movement right now to begin blaming democrats for everything even though MAGA still has its disgusting grip on decision making.

      This article is about Trump threatening to use his executive powers. He is going to try to do things neither houses are used to seeing a president do. He is going to challenge precedent and rules as he already has. Yet you are already blaming democrats.

      I agree though that the democrats are in a delicate position where they have to root the centrists out of the party. But thats not what this article is about.

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        Are you arguing for not holding the Dem party accountable for it’s action or inaction? If there are no legislative blocks even tried, that’s a bad sign. Yes, we need to root out centrists, but we also have to have votes to identify them, and Jeffries and Schumer know that.

        • 🇨🇦GreenBeard🇨🇦@lemmy.ca
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          All the newly elected haven’t even been sworn in yet and won’t be until after New Years. Slow your roll, the R’s are still in charge for a few more months.

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            Sure, happy to wait. But so far Jeffries looks poised to be Speaker, and that’s a bad sign we should be agitating about. I don’t see any reason to take the pressure off and I certainly don’t want to be accussed of being a MAGA plant because I want Democrats to actually deliver on an agenda of real change.

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              We all want Democrats to deliver, and we absolutely should hold their feet to the fire for every failure to do so. It has to be reasonable criticism though. Right now the Dems couldn’t pass a fart. That changes when they actually have the butts in seats to make a difference. Jeffries is a problem, but it looks like Schumer may be replaceable and that’s not nothing.

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                Yes, the comment that started this was, “If Democrats don’t stop this [invasion of Cuba], they should never run for anything again.” (or something, the comment’s behind this pop up editting window.

                I think the problem with that criticism isn’t that it is criticism. It’s obviously phrased as an IF-THEN thing… my problem with it is it’s punishing Democrats for not effectively stopping an authoritarian president on a power congress has spent 50 years abdicating to the executive… that’s kinda a high bar. My edit would be “If Democrats don’t make significant attempts to stop this …”

                At the same time, I think cutting the military budget to the bone is absolutely the only way they can stop the war in Iran, and you can bet there will emaciated troops on Fox news every day explaining the Democrats are starving them … but it is what people overwhelmingly voted for, so if you want to stop a war, guys, this is the only way to do it, and that’s gonna take some chutzpah.

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                  Fair enough. Although you could also take money from the pentagon, and back-door in a program through a different department to support the soldiers. Maybe send them big checks with “Democrats support the troops” on them.

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        If you look through my history, you’ll see that I’m well aware and have been actively arguing against those people.

        At some point, however, you have to stop falling for it. They need to fix shit (or at the very least, attempt it earnestly) or else I’m done.

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          You argue against them, then try to make the same exact points as them? That makes no sense.

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            I’m not making the exact point. I’m saying that I’ve been through this too many times. We are setting them up for generational change, and if they refuse to even try to do it then it’s time to change strategies

            The Democratic Party does not get to get away with everything simply by being the better of only two options.

            If they don’t earnestly try to fix things now that we are putting them in a position to do so, then it’s time to reevaluate.

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        I get the worry here, but that is why we voted for them. This is the exact kind of thing I expect them to stop. Demanding the things you actually want from your representatives is not wrong.

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      Congress has very limited control over foreign affairs. That’s almost exclusively the purview of the Executive branch

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        I can understand how someone who’s only known the Trump era and has only been politically awake for ~10 years or so, might believe this, but this just is not true at all.

        Like at all.

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    The Cuban Embassy in Washington, D.C., estimated on Thursday that the cost of the U.S. blockade to Cuba between March 2025 and February 2026 amounted to $8 billion.

    Earlier this month, the Treasury Department imposed further sanctions on Cuban oil tankers and shipping companies and threatened to target any international entity or person doing business within its marine or maritime industries as part of a push “to end the Cuban regime’s malign activities, both in Cuba and across our hemisphere.”

    Cuba’s Embassy in Washington, D.C., said these steps “deepen an energy siege that already leaves hospitals without reliable power and families facing blackouts. The blockade is not targeted at a government. It is collective punishment that hits ordinary people every day.”