• Blaze@piefed.zipEnglish
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    2 days ago

    Are we supposed to bring back the whole history every time Rimu comments anywhere?

    • an anarchist.nexus admin calls for murder of Zionists in their username
    • a LW admin and Rimu gets qualified as Zionists in dbzer0 community modlogs
    • LW defederates anarchist.nexus
    • Rimu bans that admin
    • that anarchist.nexus admin changes their username and steps down as admin
    • LW refederates anarchist.nexus
    • Rimu asks the dbzer0 staff to act on the modlog calling him a Zionist, no action is taken, the dbzer0 staff advices him to ignore that
    • Rimu discovers that a dbzer0 mod has been using a LLM for moderation. That mod has been somehow pretending to use OpenAI to upset the !fuckai crowd, actually it was a local freeware model. He posts about it.
    • a dbzer0 admin reverts the ban calling Rimu a Zionist after I asked
    • Rimu is still upset, doesn’t take the previous action into account and keeps the post about LLM moderation up
    • You bring it up here

    Now, listen, db0: we’ve discussed a lot in the past, you know I like what you do, I support you and your instance most of the time. But that’s also true for Rimu and Piefed. I think it’s pointless to try to count points and see who was wrong when by how much. From my perspective, there were issues from all sides during that whole story.

    Bringing it up every time anyone involved comments somewhere doesn’t seem relevant, and will just start another round of “you were wrong”, “I was wrong because you were wrong” etc. It can be endless, and most of the people are tired of that whole story.

    Take care.

    • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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      1 day ago

      The omissions in this timeline about brigading sockpuppets and falsified nazi smears…

      But to list that timeline and act as though this is out of context or unrelated to an ongoing crashout… we are reaching some Hasan’s dog collar level of bullshit.

      • Goferking0@ttrpg.network
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        1 day ago

        Plus there’s rimu trying to tie lemmy as right wing (to maga and 4chan clones) because they used it as a platform…

        Actually rimu is perfect fit with the lemmy.world admins and mods. Try to do the but are just incredibly terrible at messaging.

    • mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      2 days ago

      If you’re going for the whole history don’t forget the nazi smear by some german troll and rimu trying to paint db0 as uniquely ban-happy. Like this has been a busy 10 days or so with shots fired on the FAF day-after-day, this is not history yet but an ongoing barrage from their POV. Also

      Rimu discovers that a dbzer0 mod has been using a LLM for moderation

      there was no LLM moderation, and rimu knew this before making his post[1]

      1. https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/42212552/20361800 ↩︎

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 days ago

      Also:

      I think it’s pointless to try to count points and see who was wrong when by how much. From my perspective, there were issues from all sides during that whole story.

      We have bent over backwards to de-escalate the situation, both with L.W. and with Rimu. Our admins have stepped down. People changed their usernames. Our admins overruled our mods. Literally creating tension within our instance to maintain relations with the larger fediverse. On the other hand, rimu’s deliberate disinfo is still up to this day, without any statements from our team, or correction to their blatant lies. They’ve even blocked people calling them out, so piefed users can’t see this criticism. So don’t try to “both sides” me.

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 days ago

      Are we supposed to bring back the whole history every time Rimu comments anywhere?

      When he’s being hypocritical AF about people “could have just asked”, then yes I think I will.

      Rimu discovers that a dbzer0 mod has been using a LLM for moderation. That mod has been somehow pretending to use OpenAI to upset the !fuckai crowd, actually it was a local freeware model. He posts about it.

      Talk about underplaying the situation…

      Rimu spread purposeful disinfo. He never “just asked”. He ignored comments from our admins explicitly telling him he’s wrong, because it went against his narrative. Was Purposefully uncharitable so he could spin it as badly as possible. Crossposted to Mastodon in an attempt to initiate a pile-on. I could go on…

      • luciferofastora@feddit.org
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        1 day ago

        He ignored comments from our admins explicitly telling him he’s wrong, because it went against his narrative.

        Idk, sounds to me like you’re equally ignoring comments from other parties telling you you’re wrong because it goes against your narrative too. “We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing” is hardly an argument.

        That’s why this is a slugfest: "You’re wrong! “No, you’re wrong!” “No, we told you you’re wrong!” “Your telling me that I was wrong was also wrong!”

        Reasserting conflicting claims like they’re facts isn’t worth jack shit.

        • Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.worksOP
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          1 day ago

          Except they acted accountably and made efforts to fix the other sides grievances even if they didn’t agree.

          Something that has not been returned and has only been met with increasing hostility.

          • luciferofastora@feddit.org
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            1 day ago

            I admit I don’t know the whole story. I don’t know what evidence was produced to support the LLM claim and what efforts were made.

            The few comments I read here seemed like some attempt to reconcile were made but fell apart. I can’t and don’t want to point fingers one way or the other, personal bias notwithstanding.

            I just wanted to point out “he said something even though we said it’s wrong” isn’t a particularly strong argument. That’s just one party’s word against the other’s.