They wouldn’t call China authoritarian if it were Anglo, European and Judeochristian. It has always been very thinly veiled Yellow-perilism.
China already is where Bannon wants to be.
The authoritarianism is exercised differently in both countries. Mainly, the US state is openly more physically violent. In China, surveillance, media control, censorship, and control of their population in general is stronger (but the US is rapidly trying to catch up). As one example, the US wouldn’t have been able to effectively silence Naomi Wu and presumably remove her way of making a living at the time, if she was a US citizen in the US.
If authoritarianism & the violence it brings (which there is a ton of) in the USA correctly upsets you, then authoritarianism everywhere else (for which there is a ton in China, as well as across most of the rest of the globe) should upset you as well. Trying to make excuses for it in one place or another for ones “team” is pathetic. Fuck all the “whataboutism” - it’s all counter productive.
“Don’t you mean all lives matter?”
More like “statists gonna state” ;)
But yeah, optimally every person’s human rights should be honored, regardless of what side of imaginary lines they were born in, but I’m not holding my breath to see that happen, or thinking that we just need to join in a round of “kumbaya” to get there.
Look, China IS an authoritarian and oligarchic country. The difference between them and the USA is that the oligarchs in China is a bit more benevolent towards their people.
You definitely knows what oligarchy means…
Look, China IS an authoritarian and oligarchic country.
Authoritarian is a largely meaningless pejorative to simply signal “enemy of the EuroAmerikan empire”.
But more importantly do you actually know what oligarchy means?
The Chinese government is made up of roughly 3 million deputies with the vast majority being directly elected at the town/city and county level (~2.5 million). The CPC has over 100 million members that’s over 1 in 14 people. The NPC has ~3000 members made up of workers from every strata of the working class where all 55 ethnic minority groups are guaranteed at least 1 representative with many having more. If China is an oligarchy then so too is every nation on earth and if that were true what point is there in specifically using it to label certain countries other than as short of hand for not aligned with the imperial core much like “authoritarian”.
All countries are authoritarian by definition
Authoritarian doesn’t just mean that there is authority.
Then what does it mean?
Yeah they also have to be a rival of the US and someone we can be racist at
But what else would it mean? There’s three different definitions I know of:
A: it’s not a real word
B: it’s when authority
C: it’s when not ruled by whitey
…a bit more benevolent to some of their people.
Vague posting because if you tried to make an actual point you’d get debunked immediately.
Nothing vague about the plain fact that all governments abuse powers and commit violence.
Reading through your comments in this thread and a quick look at your profile I’m left with a few questions I hope you can help me answer:
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Have you ever studied political economy in any meaningful way, as in read/studied any theory or the like? A brief overview/list would be appreciated.
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Have you actually investigated China at all or simply osmosised what the imperial core has been repeating without looking any deeper?
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You say the government is only benevolent to some people the implication of course being some Chinese people are being abused/exploited could you tell me which group(s) of us you believe that is?
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You appear to be against socialist revolution that wields the state against class enemies of the working class such as the reactionaries and bourgeoisie could you explain your idea of what is to be done?
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Arguing online in meme communities on what appears to be a company account with your full name and past employment linked in your bio is an interesting choice, does your employer know or are you the employer?
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He was arrested for enjoying a succulent Chinese meal.
This video is required viewing for all the downvoters.
Also, I need to know… The guy who was toppled by the police, and fell on his head and wasn’t moving at all while bleeding from his head… Do you have any information if he survived?
Those cops should be publicly executed.
Thank you mate! The whole story makes me even more sick, but really needed to know how it ended up… Can’t believe that times and times again the same shit is happening… Glad I live in Europe, but some countries here are also taking dangerous inspiration from the US
This was tough to watch… But it is the unfortunate, dark reality of the world we live in
“whataboutism”
But, imagine, if my government is evil, how evil the barbaric hordes must be 🤯
I"m of the mind saying screw both the USA government and Chinese government. They’re no friends of mine.
I’m glad my government isn’t a friend of yours if they catered to the sensibilities and whims of every white saviour who condemned them and us without any meaningful investigation instead of working for the people of China and the advancement of the struggle against imperialism it would clearly end terribly for us.
中华人民共和国万岁！
毛主席万岁！
人民万岁！
Ahh the tried and true your authoritarianism is bad, mine is good argument. Hey, what was that about imperialism and Taiwan?
It’s always the same, you guys always just throw out a couple proper nouns and a pejorative term and hope that’s the same as making an actual point. Well, it isnt: not when you’re talking to people who actually know about this shit.
Hey, what was that about imperialism and Taiwan?
You know less than nothing. You would have to unlearn things just to break even, to know nothing.
Authoritarianism isn’t real it’s a pejorative used by the unintelligent and uninformed to smear those the west deems bad. All states, movements, groups under class society are authoritarian. The question is not is there authority (as the answer is obviously yes exercising authority is not optional so long as antagonistic class relations remain) but authority of what class, used for what ends.
And what of Taiwan? A forward base of imperialism kept split from the mainland by the US intervention around the start of the Korean war stoping the full resolution of the Chinese revolution. “The union were so imperialist when they stopped tolerating the confederacy”. You should investigate things before slinging lazy gotchas and talking points you don’t seem to even grasp the reality of.
Also I don’t think you really understand what imperialism means. Imperialism is a specific thing. It is the division of the world among great powers to enforce super-exploitation via financial dominance and military coercion. China does not partake in this on the contrary China offers non coercive developmental pathway alternatives to the global south breaking the reliance on IMF loans and the conditionalities attached. As well as backing states in resisting foreign interference such as the DPRK, Cuba and Iran.
Sure, whatever, you have a good life. Hopefully you’ll realize government control just means we cannot full actualize ourselves.
The fact you don’t know the difference between the state and the government really exemplifies the fact you have no real grasp of reality beyond vibes. I would highly recommend you do some introspection and question why you think/believe the things you do.
I genuinely wonder if anyone has ever followed this advice.
I sure don’t; Western contradictions had to kick my ass before I started to understand how propagandazied we (Americans) are and I’m certain that a similar experience is the only thing that that will force my compatriots to do likewise.
The CPC is a communist party working in the interests of the working classes, so I think that’s a good thing.
Lol… Uyghurs.
There’s not actually any credible evidence that the Uyghur people are facing mistreatment. And in fact, plenty of evidence that the CPC has improved their lives.
http://marxism.cass.cn/en/marxist/202401/t20240104_5725502.shtml
“lol… White South Africans”
Lol, hispanic and colored people
etc…tHiS mAkEs ChiNa gOoD bY cOmPaRiSon
Lol. Your moral compass is fucken garbage.
“not committing genocide is just as bad as committing genocide, and your moral compass is garbage if you disagree.”
You are dellusional.
Sorry, I’ll rephrase;
“not committing genocide is just as bad as committing genocide, and you’re mentally ill if you disagree.”
You are propagandized.
Reminder that we don’t have ample photographic and documental evidence (or any at all, tbh) of the genocide alleged by neocons and amplified by liberals, unlike the tons of evidence for genocide in the US and Gaza.
But of course, what libs call a genocide abroad is just a small violation of due process in the US.
Just like the Jews amiright?? 😂😂
Opposite, actually, there’s an overwhelming amount of evidence for the Holocaust. Equating it to the Xinjiang programs is actually just Holocaust trivialization.
Wow wow, you can’t just explain they have jails too like every other country and that terrorists who try to blow up planes, drive trucks into a crowd and stab people might end up there.
You might end like me and get banned from a shitload of communities by a power tripping mod for ‘death camp advocacy’.
LOL
Quite literally the opposite. What makes questioning the holocaust (much like the genocide in Gaza) so heinous is the fact that it is so incredibly well documented that the only possibile explanation for questioning, downplaying or denial is pure hatred. On the other hand in Xinjiang, a tourist hub with millions of tourists every year, in an advanced country where almost everyone has smartphones there is essentially 0 evidence of genocide. Unless you believe the Chinese government has secretly developed teleportation or invisibility or some such nonsense that merits questioning that in all these years no reputable organisation has called what’s happening a genocide that there is no real proof and that the 2 biggest faces of the movement pushing for the classification are American intelligence linked Christian evangelical “on a mission from god to destroy china” (Adrian zenz) and a Guantanamo bay torturer (Rushan Abbas).
No, you’re not right
Regarding Xinjiang, the best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is a group of Chinese diaspora living in the west, and they compiled an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims. The majority of their sourcing is western, and they cite official Chinese government writing and white papers when relevant. Uyghur culture is preserved.
I also recommend reading the UN report as well as (especially) China’s response to it, which eclipses it in size and detail.These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, Christian nationalist and professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does. Zenz’ work has been thoroughly discredited, yet is supported by western media for its utility in fearmongering. An example is lying about 8.7% of new IUDs as 80%, to back up claims of “forced sterilization,” from this chart:
Lemmy is filled with Chinese agents posting spamoflage. It’s interesting to notice once you pay attention to it
Lemmy is filled with communists, not “Chinese agents.” Why the dishonest, Orientalist framing?
Western supremacists cannot process the idea that someone might sincerely disagree with them: the only explanation most be that they are perfidious foreign devils
Thats how American police treat a 62 year old woman in a costume.
Yes, China is an AUthOriTaRiAn country, but the US don’t have even a 10% of civilian rights as Chinese people have, in education, healthcare, culture, housing, etc…
Example of civil rights in China
Some of those are wild to see.
That shit would be forcibly taken from them so fast here in the US, thanks to eminent domain and the worship of corporations exploiting resources to the fullest. I think they’d get paid, just not y’know, have freedom and property rights and shit.
Every form of government is authoritarian by definition
To say nothing of the fact that the US has a massively higher rate of both imprisonment and execution.
American police be like :
Real talk: Why is my silly memes feed clogged up with unfunny propaganda trash?
Have you considered going back to reddit? They maintain the kind of pro-western echo chamber you sound like you prefer
gringos when they see beyond the wall
Its lemmy.ml memes if you dont like them perhaps unsubacribe.
I dunno, maybe because your sinophobic brainworms tell you to get offended by anything China?
